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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
Between the Buried and Me pull off the trick of being a relentless beating one minute and a soothing balm the next. It’s no small feat, but the combination of death metal, metalcore, indie rock and emo works to perfection on the band’s latest album, The Silent Circus, the best metalcore record EVER. I spoke to Between the Buried and Me’s drummer Mark and vocalist/keyboardist Tommy on the phone while the band was at Victory Records’ label office in Chicago, Illinois.
Maelstrom: You hear about all these labels, and you wonder what it’s like “on the inside.” And you’re now in Victory Records’ label office.
Mark: Yup. Straight up Victory.
Maelstrom: What does it look like?
Mark: (laugh) It’s not what I expected, to be perfectly honest. It’s a little more laid back.
Maelstrom: Are there a lot of computers?
Mark: A lot of computers, a lot of people, a lot of seriousness, but you can still joke around with everybody.
Maelstrom: How many people are there?
Mark: About 20. But you gotta understand, it’s like in a warehouse.
Maelstrom: So, you’re Between the Buried and Me’s new drummer.
Mark: Yes.
Maelstrom: Great! I’m a drummer, so I’ll be sure to ask you a bunch of drum questions. You’re on the new album, right?
Mark: Yeah, I joined up right as they started writing it, and I was lucky enough to join.
Maelstrom: Have you got much insight on what the name of the band means?
Mark: It’s a Counting Crows song. We’re all into the Counting Crows.
Maelstrom: It’s been really interesting to see the whole metalcore boom. I got into this about a year ago. In terms of brutal music, I come from listening to death metal. When I heard The Silent Circus, it struck me as being really gutsy. It takes a lot of guts to make something that’s really brutal and technical, but at the same time not afraid to be sensitive. I think it’s amazing.
Mark: Well, we all like very different types of music. We don’t only listen to metal. We listen to some of the pussiest music you’ll ever hear in your life. We like to mix everything that influences us, and take it from there.
Maelstrom: Let’s talk about drums. And let’s start off with the brutal songs on The Silent Circus. Again, it’s really gutsy: you have all these parts that could so easily not work together, but they do. The listener is left wondering how you do it. Can you talk about how you do it, how much time it takes?
Mark: When I first moved down here, I couldn’t play the way that I played on the CD. It was a whole bunch of practice and running the guitar riffs over and over inside my head. At night, when I was alone, I’d come up with different transitions in my head, and try and make them happen the next day. We practiced a lot in the two and a half months we had to write this album. I was practicing about four hours a day. It was rough.
Maelstrom: Wow. How do you find the focus to do that?
Mark: The thing that makes me practice for so long is that I stay interested in what they’re throwing at me. If I can’t do something, I have to get it done. I kept thinking, “it’s gotta be done in two and a half months.... It’s gotta be done in one and a half months...” It was the focus on getting the CD done that did it.
Maelstrom: You just mentioned about moving down, from....?
Mark: I just quit Bury Your Dead. We broke up and I moved down to North Carolina from Massachusetts.
Maelstrom: You were just talking about influences. With you guys, not only do you do one thing really well, but you do five things really well. You have an amazing ambient track, “Reaction.”
Mark: That’s Paul and his guitar.
Maelstrom: You have indie rock and emo in there... you were talking about the pussiest music that you love. What are the pussiest bands you love?
Mark: (turns away from phone to confer with other band members) ...He wants to know the pussiest bands......pussiest bands...... Pussy music! Emo music! Soft music? (Back to phone) They’re ruining my interview. (laugh) Ok, check it out. One of my favorites is Mazzy Star. It’s a pretty old group. I’m going to go right ahead and say it’s hippie music. It’s perfect to sleep to. The music is pretty straight and the tempo is really slow... it’s got tambourines. Mazzy Star is definitely on the puss level.
Maelstrom: Do you play a big kit?
Mark: No. I play a four piece. But recently I bought a new kit. A Taye. It’s from Canada.
Maelstrom: I’ve never heard of that.
Mark: Have you ever heard of Ayotte? It’s the same guy. He’s been making kits for years for different companies.
Maelstrom: Sounds like they’re hand made.
Mark: They are. They’re custom made. I got lucky and came across one.
Maelstrom: What’s so special about this kit?
Mark: There’s nothing really super special. It’s just a straight up, all maple, natural color kit. It’s a six piece, though, so next album you will be hearing a six piece kit.
Maelstrom: Hey, thanks. Let’s see if you can get Tommy on the phone.
Tommy: Hi, how are you doing?
Maelstrom: Hey, thanks for giving us some of your time. I wanted to ask you about some of your lyrics. I was telling Mark about what impresses your record, that you have this amazing mix of super brutal music and also a very sensitive side, which you’re not afraid to show.
Tommy: Yeah. That was our whole intention.
Maelstrom: Coming from a death metal perspective, death metal guys aren’t really willing to do that.
Tommy: Yeah! We did a tour with Malevolent Creation, and we kinda noticed that. Their fans are epitome of death metal. When our clean parts would come, they’d go, “what the...fuck?”
Maelstrom: I remember reading an interview with the Malevolent Creation vocalist. It was done by a gay guy. He asked, “would you suck a guy’s dick for a million dollars?” And the Malevolent Creation guy says, “NO WAY! NEVER! NO WAY!”
Tommy: (laugh)
Maelstrom: Like, *I* would suck a guy’s dick for a million dollars.
Tommy: Yeah, I would too.
Maelstrom: So, about the lyrics on the new record... is Camilla Rhodes a real person?
Tommy: No, she’s not. I got the name from the movie “Mulholland Drive.” The idea in that song is how mainstream music is more of a sexual contest. People don’t think about the music at all.
Maelstrom: I agree. You can’t be a successful female singer, especially, unless you’re hot.
Tommy: It seems like they’re in competition. If you look at Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears, some of them were dying down, but they come back with an angle of sexual revolution – they’re growing up, or whatever, and it’s making them huge again... just because they’re taking more clothes off in their videos.
Maelstrom: I read an interview with Britney Spears once. She was asked, “do you go to dance clubs?” And Britney Spears answered, “no, because all they do there is look you up and down.”
Tommy: Well, what do you expect?
Maelstrom: The image of the virginal whore is sick.
Tommy: If it were adult oriented music, it would be one thing. But there’s such an influence on younger children. There are 9 and 10 year olds listening to these artists. And that’s probably a big part why kids are growing up so fast nowadays days. When I was in junior high, girls weren’t wearing low cut jeans and halter tops.
For an adult, sexuality is an amazing thing, and expressing it is great. But doing it when you have such a young audience, that’s when it becomes a problem.
Maelstrom: Now you have a song that I can’t pronounce, “Ad a dglgmut.” Is that about the actual process of writing songs for you?
Tommy: I was going through a phase where I was listening to a lot of noise artists. The idea came up about how amazing any sort of noise can be, and how anything can be musical. It’s the same idea with the Broadway production “Stomp.” Anything can be musical. The title of our song is like that. It’s a made up word, and a form of noise.
Maelstrom: Talk about listening to noise. What grabbed you and why?
Tommy: I came across a band called Whitehouse. It was some of the creepiest music I’ve ever heard – it scared me. I’m not a huge noise fan, but it interested me how much you can affect the listener with just noise.
Maelstrom: You write your lyrics as prose. It’s much cooler to read, but does that make it more difficult to incorporate into a song?
Tommy: Well, our songs are all over the place. I wrote the lyrics the way we write the music: all these ideas put into one. I write the lyrics before we write the music, and fit whatever lyrics I think fit.
Maelstrom: You have a couple references to “Mordecai.” I looked it up and the most matches I got back was a Canadian writer called Mordecai Richler.
Tommy: This is actually from the movie “The Royal Tenenbaums.” Mordecai is the bird in the story. The idea is figuring yourself out and letting yourself go and realizing your purpose. In the song “Mordecai” and the Mordecai reference in “Destructo Spin,” the idea is of confusion. Especially in America right now, one minute you feel one way, like, “do I really care about this?” and the next minute, you feel a different way. There are so many different viewpoints and arguments to go with any subject, especially now with the war going on.
Maelstrom: The first song on the new record is called “Lost Perfection.” You’ve got two pretty obscure phobias mentioned in here. First is the fear of clowns (coulrophobia), and the other is the fear of looking up (anablephobia). But the part that’s about clowns is the second part.
Are you interested in the fear of looking up, or are you scared of looking up?
Tommy: No, we wanted to do two sections on the song. Looking up is the idea of dying and looking up from hell. I don’t personally believe in hell, but it was more about the idea of killing one’s self, which is hell, in my opinion.
The idea about that song is a baby being born on the last day on earth.
Maelstrom: Children are a favorite topic for you. The last song on The Silent Circus, “The Need for Repetition,” has that theme. It’s really angry, man. It has the strongest lyrics I’ve read of yours. Is child abuse something that really touches you?
Tommy: Yes, especially sexual abuse. I wrote that right around the time all the scandals with the Catholic priests. I read this article about a Santa Claus at a mall that was caught molesting children. On the spot it really pissed me off, and I wrote a song. It’s really the only song where we repeat parts, and that’s why I called it “The Need for Repetition.” And the topic of child abuse is something that needs to be repeated in the minds of the people, so it’s not a recurring thing.
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