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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
Tony Laureano is one of the most exciting drummers in metal today. Although his most prolific gig is as the drummer for Nile, Laureano’s playing first caught my attention on The Inexorable, the third, final and best album by Angel Corpse. In between, Laureano has done some awesome session work, such as on God Dethroned’s Ravenous. I wrote Laureano to discuss drums amongst skinsmen. Drum geeks take note.
Maelstrom: How long have you been playing drums?
Tony Laureano: About 12 years now of actual playing. I had the interest for a few years before that, but I was unable to get a good kit until I was 18, and I did not want to start out with one bass drum – it was double bass or nothing.
Maelstrom: Who influenced you to start playing? What was it like picking up playing drums?
Tony Laureano: Mostly, the music that I listened to and what drove it. I loved fast thrash and death metal, and the drumming was very driving in terms of pushing the music. Gene Hoglan of Dark Angel, and Dave Lombardo of Slayer were the first real influences I had, and they are still my favorite drummers to this day. Pete Sandoval was another drummer that was very influential when I first started playing, because he was the first to do the blast beat cleanly, no one else at the time could do it anywhere near as good.
Early on, I just tried to play every song that I could thinking that the more different drumming styles I played, the better it would be for me. I essence, this worked. Yet, at the same time, it worked against me, since I was learning on my own, and had no one to tell me "no that's wrong, don't learn it like that," or " this is the correct way." I had to figure it out by recording myself, and then listening to see what I was doing wrong. I picked up a lot of bad habits that, to this day, crawl in when I'm not on top of my playing.
Maelstrom: What does drumming mean to you?
Tony Laureano: Well, it's a way of life for me, and it's deeply embedded in my psyche. I keep a pair of drum sticks on my coffee table that I play constantly while I watch movies, news, or the History Channel; in high school, I was put in detention after a teacher repeatedly warned me to stop my unconscious tapping of a beat. Even at the video store I hold my selection in a way that I can tap bass drum and snare beats with my fingers while I walk around looking for what else they have. I don't know, man, I just love it.
Maelstrom: Sounds a little like that guy Frost from Satyricon, who is reputed to play on a pillow while he watches TV. Good story about detention in high school. Isn`t it hard for you (or anyone else) to hear a movie while you play on the coffee table? What weight of sticks do you like?
Tony Laureano: If I'm playing while watching something, I'll usually hit my thighs. It's much quieter than the table or the pad. I like to use 5A's for the sticks.
Maelstrom: Hehe. Well, could you talk about the differences you feel in playing one bass drum over two? I see more and more metalcore and metal acts using one drum with a double pedal. (For example, Entombed uses a single bass drum). Aside from the ease of touring with one, I've heard different opinions on it, but I'd like to ask yours. Do you play the high hat with your foot much in Nile?
Tony Laureano: Well, the reason I was so adamant about starting out with two bass drums was because of a lack of maturity. I thought that a kit with one bass drum was not metal, and I still pretty much feel the same way, haha. But I realize now that I could have been playing earlier, and probably would have developed less of a bad habit I eventually developed had I started on one kick. And besides, one kick or two, it's still playing drums.
However, I always felt to play music with lot of fast double bass, you need two kicks. See, the bass drum head starts out in a flat, stationary position. When you hit a bass drum, the head moves inwards with the hit, and expands back out to its original, flat position after the mallet has receded from the head. Now, when you play a double pedal on a single kick, the problem that you run into is basic physics. When you hit the bass drum, the head moves inwards, but BEFORE it can fully expand back to its original position, bam, here comes the second hit. This hit has to deal with the fact that the head is moving TOWARDS it, putting in that slight bit of extra resistance (the level of which depends on how hard an individual hits the drum). Now, the same thing happens when the first mallet hits the head on the third hit, because it's expanding back after the second hit. And this process just continues from there, but when you play two bass drums, you never have this problem, because each drum is playing half the hits, therefore the head has time to expand back for the next hit. I personally can feel the difference instantly, but it's not a problem playing a double pedal unless I play high speed double bass.
With Nile, I use the hi-hat pedal for a few fills here and there, but I mostly use it to count during guitar breaks.
Maelstrom: You often hear about self-taught drummers and the bad habits they develop. Could you put some of those bad habits into words?
Tony Laureano: Well, the worst bad habit I ever got stuck with was rolling my feet for double bass instead of PLAYING the notes where they were supposed to go. As soon as I got a kit, I was trying to play “Angel of Death,” “Death is Certain,” “Life is Not,” “Chapel of Ghouls,” all this stuff that had ridiculous double bass parts, and here I was thinking I was doing it right. It wasn't until I started taping myself that I went, "Hmmn, that's not right, that sounds like shit!" But, not realizing that I should start over playing the right way, I started to clean it up instead by trying to get it to sound smoother.
This is something that bugged me for years, and to this day, if I'm having a bad gig and I'm thinking a lot, I still slip into this habit. This has to do with the fact that since I started with double bass, and that's all I wanted to play, I missed the fundamental of keeping time with my foot, I wasn't counting. I was doing it wrong, and I didn't even know it. I had to slowly wean myself off of that, and because for a long time I was doing minimal practice, it took a while to kick the habit.
Maelstrom: I have this fantasy of getting this interview into Modern Drummer (and not Drummer, which I understand is a gay mag). `cept Modern Drummer pisses me off 'cause they generally feature drummers of trendy bands. The drummers for sure are good, but there's nothing interesting about their playing. For a brutal and forceful style, why only include drummers from bands like Limp Bizkit? Meanwhile, the only death metal drummer that EVER makes it in it seems is Pete Sandoval.
Tony Laureano: I think maybe these drummers get in there because their label has money, or they are more well known. I mean, whose face is going to sell more magazines, mine or Lars Ulrich? haha!
Maelstrom: You mentioned Gene Hoglan being one of your favorites. (I see you took a page out of his book by attaching a saw blade to a stand and playing it like a second ride on the left side) I wonder what you think of Richard Christy?
Tony Laureano: Richard is killer, I've thought so since he gave me a Burning Inside demo in mid '96. I love that he can adapt his degrees of technicality according to whatever the project, from subtle to totally over the top.
Maelstrom: Could you please talk about the physical side of your particular style? I think of Nile`s music as being "athletic." It`s like a 400m race. is there anything outside of drum practice that helps you keep up your paces?
Tony Laureano: Well, while this type of music demands physical endurance, I have to admit I'm far from athletic. I used to work out a bit, but since I injured my shoulder in mid 2002, I can't lift weights anymore. The only exercise I'm getting lately is lifting my bong, and to make matters worse, my girlfriend makes the best chocolate chip cookies on the entire planet, haha. But, I'm not smoking cigarettes regularly anymore, and I'm thinking about getting a bike. I'm 30, I can't get by on being young anymore.
Maelstrom: You just came back from a mini-tour in Japan (with Skinless). What was it like over there?
Tony Laureano: I loved it over there. The shows were great, although the Tokyo one was extra hot, so much so that I had to tell the guys to skip a song or two in the middle of the show in order to last out at least an hour of our full set. John from Skinless was on the verge of vomiting followed by death after 40 minutes.
Maelstrom: So it was that hot at the shows? It seems that your style of playing and music would make it that almost every show would be like that. I remember seeing a story on TV about Formula One race car drivers, and how they lose 10-15 pounds during each race. You must experience a similar thing.
Anyway, all bands say how great the shows are in Japan. It`s true. People love metal in particular so much more in Japan than in the US. I went to a club once in Tokyo where you had to pay like 20-30 bucks to listen to a DJ play metal records. All the Japanese clientele were on the "dance" floor air guitaring. One guy at the bar realized he loved a song and ran on the floor to air guitar with like 15 other guys. Pretty hilarious, and totally Japanese.
Nile, from left: Tony Laureano, Karl Sanders, Dallas Toler-Wade, Jon Vesano. |