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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
photo credit: David Johnsson
Things went so well the last time Maelstrom spoke to The Forsaken’s drummer, Nicke Grabowski (in issue #10), that when a new set of interview opportunities came up to promote the bands new album, Traces of the Past, nothing short of Nicke would do. What resulted on this afternoon was a long, rambling, yet somehow unusually focused conversation about metal and the perceptions thereof. We got what we shoot for as the ideal here at Maelstrom, an interview that reveals bits into the life and personality of the subject.
Since the interview is really long, and this being a web zine, we’re going to spread the interview out over two or even three issues. When we last talked, Grabowski had been talking about getting a mammoth motorcycle. I brought the subject up and it all went from there.
Maelstrom: So how about the motorcycle?
Nicke Grabowski: No... not yet. I was very close to buying it the last time we spoke. But it’s about $25,000 in Sweden.
Maelstrom: And what was it? 2000 cc?
Nicke Grabowski: 1800, yeah. (Laugh) But I’ve been getting into the Harley thing lately.
Maelstrom: And meanwhile your girlfriend is shaking her head.
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah, she is. We have a typical station wagon; a big one for possible kids. She thinks it’s nice with the bike, but in the end it’s too much money for something that’s only fun. For me, it’s more than that, but I’m a guy and she’s a girl.
Maelstrom: Do you have to wear helmets over there in Sweden?
Nicke Grabowski: Yes. It’s the law. But some of those Hell’s Angels and bandidos don’t use them. If the police stops them and gives them a fine, they won’t pay it anyway. It must be the same in the States.
Maelstrom: I guess... But I almost never see anyone without a helmet here in California. I used to live in Illinois, and people would drive by on the freeway at 85 mph with their girlfriend on the back, and everyone’s wearing tank tops and shorts and flip flops and no helmet. It scares the shit out of me.
Nicke Grabowski: Ahhh... good idea, no? It’s like when we go on vacation to the Mediterranean Sea, they have those mopeds you can rent. People drive like crazy.
Maelstrom: Sounds like Thailand.
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah, I think it’s basically the same: they drive around in basically nothing. If they fall, their whole vacation and six months later will be like hell. You know, with asphalt up your ass.
Maelstrom: In Thailand, on this island, it’s like a racetrack. People wipe out all the time; there’s sand on the road...
Nicke Grabowski: You travel a lot, right?
Maelstrom: Yeah...
Nicke Grabowski: I’ve always wanted to go to Australia. Have you been there?
Maelstrom: No.
Nicke Grabowski: That would be amazing, especially for the diving. I have a divers’ instructor’s license. I was really into it. It was a time in my life when I quit my old grindcore/punk band. It was like eight or nine years ago, before I started out in The Forsaken. I thought, “ok, now I’ll go down to Australia and live there for a few years, or travel around in Asia and try to make a living by working at PADI.” But then the nice guy Stefan (Holm, The Forsaken’s guitarist) asked me if I wanted to put together a band.
Maelstrom: Well, at least you get to travel, but not really stay and look. I guess that’s the problem...
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah, it’s a big problem. The tour we did with Soilwork, it was like, ok, we were all over Europe, but how much did we see? Nothing. The tour bus, the video game, nothing else. Ok, you see the crowd, and then you get drunk. But then again, we have a great deal of fun, and that’s the most important thing.
Maelstrom: Well I guess you can’t ask for much more, unless you pay for the tour yourself.
Nicke Grabowski: I think it was something like 24,000 euros for this tour. It was a lot of money. I’ve heard a lot about bands going over to the States to tour. The conditions aren’t very good.
Maelstrom: That’s what everybody says. I have this band. We’re really into it and we’re trying to get this demo together. And frankly, I have no attraction to touring around the States, and I’m from here! (Laugh)
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah, exactly. It’s what everyone says: the tour bus is bad, most of the clubs isn’t that good... sometimes they don’t even have lights, etc... etc... And most of the clubs in Europe – if you go on a decent tour package – have everything: very good PA, very good light system, roadies at the venue that helps out unload and load. And from what I’ve heard, that’s quite rare in the States.
Maelstrom: Yeah, it seems so.
Nicke Grabowski: The clubs frankly don’t care. It’s enough that they have to pay the money. But I’m only talking from rumors. But it would be great to come over anyway.
Maelstrom: See, the irony is that people over here would love your music more than anywhere else.
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah, that’s kind of strange (laugh).
Maelstrom: And on the other side, we have progressive metal bands, like Symphony X. Have you heard of them?
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah. They’re really good.
Maelstrom: Yeah. They’re big in the genre. But to my knowledge, I’ve never been aware of them ever playing here (in San Francisco, anyway). Ever.
Nicke Grabowski: That’s kind of crazy.
Maelstrom: Yeah. I think they go play in Europe or Japan. You should switch careers with Symphony X.
Nicke Grabowski: That would be an idea. (Laugh) But isn’t the big American death metal bands still touring the States?
Maelstrom: Oh, yeah. Deicide still has a big draw.
Nicke Grabowski: Really? I still buy all the Deicide albums because they were one of the first cool death metal bands that I bought, when they released their first album. But my interest dropped with Insineratehymn. I though it was a bad album. Then they released In Torment in Hell, and I was like, “what are these guys doing?” Then I heard it was only because they wanted to get rid of [the contract on] their (then) label. So when they released the new one (on Earache), I was like, “oh, cool! A REAL Deicide album!” But I wasn’t that impressed, actually.
Maelstrom: It doesn’t sound like they put much thought into the arrangements of the songs; they just tried to play as fast and as brutal as possible. And it is.... Also, the guitar solos sound different...
Nicke Grabowski: It sounds like you have a transfer on the music instead of the solos being inside the music. It doesn’t fit.
Maelstrom: That’s what I thought, too.
Nicke Grabowski: It’s kind of strange. I love the first three albums, but since, they lost it for me. Totally.
But you’re writing for a magazine, I’m in a band... the longer you’re around, the higher your standards are. You wouldn’t be satisfied with the sound from the beginning of the 90s. Right? Take a young metalhead that hasn’t heard much death metal, I think someone like that can really be impressed by the new Deicide album.
Maelstrom: I’ve been thinking about that too. In this band I’m in, for a period we had a kid who was 16. I was listening to the kind of metal he really likes... he knew about older bands, but still the realization hit, “you know, I’m getting older....” There’s a bunch of metal kids who are 15, 16, and who didn’t listen to all this stuff when I was that age. Their standard is different. They get all excited about power metal bands that are like the 5th wave of Helloween. But to them, it’s new.
Nicke Grabowski: For us, it’s like, “Hey, wake up! Listen to the originals.” But what are the originals? For them, it’s what they start listening to. And wherever it comes from doesn’t mean jack shit, actually. If you go back, we should all start listening to Elvis. I’m sure you guys have these same people: the old thrashers. They know it all. They say if you don’t listen to Pleasure to Kill and all the old thrash bands, you don’t know anything. “Ok, well... I don’t know what you’re talking about...”
Maelstrom: I understand. I know I had heard how great those old Kreator records were. I went to listen to them and I thought, “I don’t know... the sound isn’t very good... it’s kind of muddy and I can’t tell what’s going on as well as with Dimension Zero, for example.”
Nicke Grabowski: I know what you mean. Kreator has some great albums, like Coma of Souls and Extreme Aggression. But when you go back to the real old stuff... When extreme music came out, most of these people couldn’t play, and the standard is getting higher, and the demands from the label are getting higher as well. The records that came out then are like the demos of today, especially since people can record at home now. Demos are getting better all the time.
Maelstrom: I wonder what records that are so great today will sound like in 10 years. How much more amazing can it get? It’s kind of like the 100 meter dash record. How much faster can it possibly get?
Nicke Grabowski: Yes. And while you need the labels to get the music out to a broad arena of people, but at the same time recording for free at home with quality sound, and marketing yourself via internet... I think that’s the future for music. A boring future, if you ask me. I’m a devoted record collector.
Maelstrom: That’s part of the fun for us: having the record, looking at the artwork... *owning* the thing.
Nicke Grabowski: It’s getting there more or less. I think big labels will survive in the long run. We talked about this at work: there aren’t many bands that sell out entire arenas anymore. (But) Metallica was in Gothenburg recently, and they pulled 55,000 people. That’s a lot of people, especially for old timers. Maiden and Slayer sell out in Stockholm.
Maelstrom: I remember someone getting really upset with me because I didn’t think Celtic Frost was very good. I mean, I understand how influential it is, but... I get what the big deal about them *was,* but I don’t see what the big deal about them *is* anymore.
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah, yeah. I agree with you. I think they had some cool parts, but it won’t last an album for me. I perfectly understand they were ground breaking, but I never got the hang of it. But can you imagine how many bands that have come out in the last 10 years that are because of Celtic Frost?
Maelstrom: How about Venom?
Nicke Grabowski: Venom is one of the worst bands ever. He had his really big drum kit with 300 bass drums and four billion cymbals, but it doesn’t justify his way of playing, which says, “I can’t play.” Hahahaha! I mean, what is this?
Maelstrom: Again, I get it. At the time, 1981, a band saying they’re pro Satan, it’s like, “oh, my GOD! I can’t believe it!!!”
Nicke Grabowski: Exactly!
Maelstrom: It’s one of those “you had to be there things.” People I know now, people who like Venom and were there when Venom started, they say, “if I were 18 and heard this band today, it would suck. But I was 16 at the time and it was amazing, and I still like it because of the nostalgia.”
Nicke Grabowski: In ‘81 I was like, five. So, good morning.
Maelstrom: Something’s been depressing me lately. My band is really lucky in that one of the members took a Pro-Tools class and has an 8-track and mics and all. He was saying that you can put a beat fixer on the recording, that would clean up any mistakes on the drums (turns out you can do the same for any aspect of a recording – Roberto).
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah. I know.
Maelstrom: I can’t fucking believe that! It’s such a disgrace!
Nicke Grabowski: It’s very easy to do. If you have floppy bass drums, whoosh! You can fix it like that. We never use Pro-Tools for our recordings. We record with Tommy (Tätgren), and he doesn’t have that. He does have an old computer, but he doesn’t know how to use it. Peter (Tätgren) has it in his studio, and we’ve seen him use it. Of course, you can use it for good things as well. If you record a song on the drums. It comes out really well, but in the middle there’s a bass drum part that’s a little sloppy. You can play it fine, but on the recording you made a mistake. Why record the whole thing again?
Maelstrom: I dunno, man. I think there’s some sort of twisted perception about this. If there’s a little mistake, I don’t care. In fact, if it’s got imperfections, it feels like an actual person is actually playing it.
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah, it’s more alive. You can feel the music instead of listening to something plastic.
Maelstrom: So much nowadays you hear drums that sound like it’s a drum machine, but according to the booklet, it’s not. I guess...
Nicke Grabowski: You never know. I know a few bands that use this a lot. Then when you see them live it’s like, ok, goodnight. I’ll go take a beer instead. But Tommy told me something in the studio: “shit in, shit out.” You need to play well in order to develop a good sound.
We have two different guitar players with two different styles of playing. They’re both very good. We had a choice of Patrik (Persson) recording his songs with his guitars, and Stefan (Berg) doing his, but we decided that Stefan didn’t have that much time, so Patrik and I recorded all the guitars and drums in the studio. When the rest of the band came, it was ready, and all Stefan had to concentrate on was his solos.
Maelstrom: I’ve heard about this: bands in which one guy records all the guitars, even though there are two guys credited.
Nicke Grabowski: I know of a lot of bands doing that.
Maelstrom: It makes it more even, or something?
Nicke Grabowski: Because of the different styles, even if you have really tight guitarists, you play a little different. If one guy plays all the rhythm guitars, it’s a lot tighter and sounds much more like a punch in the face. Otherwise it could sound like the Bolt Thrower sound, where everything is really brutal but blurry.
Maelstrom: Oh, man, Bolt Thrower is one of my favorite bands EVER.
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah, they’re so killer. But if we would use their sound, everything would be drowned in a big mess. That’s why we try to keep everything clean, because we want everything to be heard.
Maelstrom: That’s certainly true about this new record, and the last one, too. But let’s speak about Bolt Thrower for a bit. I think it’s remarkable that no one has really sounded like Bolt Thrower since Bolt Thrower.
Nicke Grabowski: It’s amazing. I was a lot into the Games Workshop games before. That’s how I got in contact with Bolt Thrower. (Bolt Thrower had a deal with Games Workshop on their second album. Read our interview with Bolt Thrower! – Roberto) I have been amazed by this band ever since.
Maelstrom: The last two records (Mercenary and Honour, Valour, Pride) have been getting worse and worse.
Nicke Grabowski: The last good one is ...For Victory.
Maelstrom: Ahhh! I absolutely agree.
Nicke Grabowski: I think a lot of people think the same.
Maelstrom: Well, it’s because they lost their drummer (Andy Whale)!
Nicke Grabowski: Yeah! He might not be that tight, but he has the Bolt Thrower feeling.
Maelstrom: It’s so funny about that drummer. He’s one of my favorites even though he’s one of the worst drummers. He’s not good!
Nicke Grabowski: (laugh) No, he’s certainly not.
Maelstrom: He’s got three beats that he plays, and he always plays the same fill...
Nicke Grabowski: ...and we have to put in that he doesn’t even do it good. (Laugh) But still, I agree with you. He’s one of the...
Maelstrom: ...one of the heaviest drummers ever, that guy.
Nicke Grabowski: Warmaster. That’s my favorite Bolt Thrower record. They have a killer sound on the drums on that record. It’s not a good sound in one way because it’s so filthy and uncontrolled, but it has this huge sound that just rolls over you like a tank. It’s like, “oh, man, I’m home!” (Laugh) That’s one of those albums that really mean a lot to me. If I had to choose five records, that would be one of them.
Maelstrom: You have to wonder in the disparity of quality from the classic records with the last two, wonder how much it had to do with the production of Colin Richardson. But they lost him and the drummer, and then the singer started to sound burnt out, and then they lost him. Then it was like, oh, fuck it.
Nicke Grabowski: I know what you mean. Karl Willetts had an extremely nice voice. It was cool. You could really feel war and destruction.
(To be continued next issue...) visit The Forsaken at www.theforsaken.net
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