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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
Vader seems to have had the lion’s share of the market for steamrolling death metal simplicity. Their records have always been uncomplicated, catchy and as brutal as they come. Considering all this, it’s been remarkable time and again to find that Vader’s signature style is one of the strongest in the genre. Recently, Poland’s greatest metal band ever took a mighty blow in the loss of their godlike drummer, Doc, who certainly influenced this writer’s playing. So the release of the new Vader record, The Beast is as much a celebration of the continuation of the band’s career as it is a pall over it. We spoke to band leader Peter Wiczwarek, a fairly somber and sober fellow, who gave us very candid answers about the troubles that have plagued his band members, past and present, and the uncertain future of the group’s battery.
Maelstrom: Hi, are you calling from Poland?
Peter Wiczwarek: Yes.
Maelstrom: I asked because, you know, some people get big and then they move to Florida.
Peter Wiczwarek: No, nothing’s changed. I like the land I’m from, so I don’t need to move anywhere to be happy.
Maelstrom: So, the big news with the new record is that Doc got injured. We’ve been hearing about this for at least eight months, but I haven’t read what happened to him precisely, or how badly he’s injured, or if he’s still injured. Could you tell us about that?
Peter Wiczwarek: It happened at the beginning of the [recording] session, in February. He was pretty badly injured after he fell down the stairs while holding a coffee mug. The problem was not just that he broke his right hand, the problem was that he cut his hand, and it required surgery. And we knew that the recovery would be several months. The only solution for the band was to find another drummer.
Maelstrom: And is this a temporary thing?
Peter Wiczwarek: For sure Doc is not able to play until the end of the year. We planned a meeting to practice the new songs in February of next year. If he will be able to play as well as he did before, he will re-join the band. It’s hard to say. He lost the feeling in the middle fingers of his right hand. But since the surgery, he started to practice again. But he’s a pretty intense drummer, so he needs even more time. But I believe everything will go well and he’ll come back... it all depends on his health.
Maelstrom: I can’t help but think of the Def Leppard drummer, the one with one arm...
Peter Wiczwarek: That’s not possible for this band.
Maelstrom: (laugh)
Peter Wiczwarek: By the way, we got a pretty good drummer as a replacement...
Maelstrom: I think unless you’re really a huge Vader fan, you can’t really tell that it’s a different drummer. What’s more important is your voice and riff writing style.
Peter Wiczwarek: Daray is the drummer from the new generation, much influenced by Doc’s playing. It’s not like in the 80s – it’s easier to find a competent drummer after only one or two years of playing... they progress much faster now.
Maelstrom: Yes, it seems that everyone in metal has a great drummer now... I don’t know if it’s technology...
Peter Wiczwarek: The important thing was not just to find a good drummer; the thing was to find a drummer who could spend the time touring and recording; a time to spend out of family and home and friends. This is always the biggest problem when talking about the membership in Vader. We became a professional band. This is our job, our life. If we’re not recording, we’re touring. There’s really not too much time for privacy.
Maelstrom: I’ve lost count. Are you on your sixth bass player? Was what you are talking about the basic issue with the guys you went through?
Peter Wiczwarek: Shambo (one of the bassists) was really into the music when he joined. After a couple years, I had a real problem with him and his ignorance, his arrogance, his drugs. He promised me a few times that everything would be ok; that he needed some time. You can trust someone once or maybe twice... but he stopped the progression of the band. I couldn’t wait more. I’m a passionate guy, but everything’s got its limits.
With Simon, it was a different story. He was still a permanent member of his other band, The Hunter, and he was not as loyal with us as he was with his original band, and loyalty is a pretty important thing with Vader. There was no room for guys to try to make tricks or use other guys in the band.
Novy, the new bassist, is very much dedicated to the music. I asked him years ago to join Vader, but the problem was he was always busy with his original band, Devilyn. After he joined Behemoth as a session guy and left, he joined Vader.
Maelstrom: Doc’s leaving reminds me of that time before Litany was released. You officially said in an interview that Doc was having drug problems, and that he might leave to clean up, and that you would get the guy from Yattering.
Peter Wiczwarek: Yeah, yeah. That was the situation. We really had to take a decision about Doc. His problem was getting so serious that the regular playing was not possible. After he quit drugs, everything seemed to be pretty good, but another problem appeared: alcohol. We had several problems on the last American tour: he didn’t have enough power to play as many songs as we were supposed to. After that, he started to detox from that...
You know, Doc has a pretty weird personality. He’s a very good man, but with a weak character. He needs a good partner in life. Like the problem with drugs: that was not because of him – it was because of the girl he was with. But finally he met a good girl, he’s got a baby boy, and he’s a happy father. So it was so bad that his accident happened after he found his new life.
I believe that next year will be better for us. 2004 was probably the worst year in my (personal) life... But we have a new album, a new tour, good response...
Maelstrom: You bring up drugs and talk about them freely. It seems that the whole band was using them. What kind of drugs was Doc using?
Peter Wiczwarek: The biggest problem was heroin. After seeing the problems with Doc and Shambo, I quit drugs of every kind. I don’t smoke anything now. This bad for family members. I mean, I’m not against smoking, as long as it’s not bad for family or friends.
Maelstrom: Could you talk about what made 2004 the worst year of your life?
Peter Wiczwarek: I don’t want to talk only about the bad stuff, but for the first time, I had to cancel a tour in the States because I broke a disk in my lower spine, which I injured in a tour in Scandinavia a long time ago. The only reason I’ll spend time in a hospital is because I need surgery in October and time to recover. I’m not going to finish my life in a wheelchair.
Maelstrom: Are you on crutches?
Peter Wiczwarek: No, no. I take medicine: painkillers and something to stop the progress of the illness.
Maelstrom: How did you hurt yourself?
Peter Wiczwarek: I’m not sure. Probably it was because I had to carry too heavy equipment. But I had to lie on the floor for 50 minutes in Stockholm, Sweden with pain I’d never felt before. I had to visit the doctor and he explained everything.
Maelstrom: Was it impossible for Vader to have postponed the recording of The Beast, or could you not because you were under contract?
Peter Wiczwarek: If Doc could have played after two or three months, it would have been possible. But since it would take much longer, the only solution was to find a new drummer. This is our job; we can’t just stop playing.
Maelstrom: I was looking up the word “apopheniac” online, and I couldn’t find it. What is your song with the same name about?
Peter Wiczwarek: It’s kind of a psycho illness... being lost amongst the thousands of terms and words – in a maze... your life is lost amongst all these terms. (Seems ironic to give an obscure term to explain being lost amongst obscure terms! – Roberto... anyway, here’s a definition of apophenia from “Apophenia is the spontaneous perception of connections and meaningfulness of unrelated phenomena. The term was coined by K. Conrad in 1958 (Brugger).” Taken from http://skepdic.com/apophenia.html)
Maelstrom: As always, Pavel Frelik is a main lyric writing force in your band. This time around, he seems to really like the word “whimper.” He has one lyric that goes “Dominance of whimper over bang.” What does that mean to you?
Peter Wiczwarek: Frelik is actually now an English teacher at a university. He’s pretty good at using terms that nobody understands except him. I sometimes need to find a good dictionary to understand what’s going on. When he first started to write for us, it was a lot easier.
Maelstrom: I took some singing lessons some time ago. I remember a big lesson was that to give meaning to whatever it is that you’re singing.
Peter Wiczwarek: Our lyrics can be very freely interpreted. That’s good, because it’s nice to know that our listeners are using their imaginations. The new generation seems to be losing imagination: they’re watching movies, they stopped reading books... I was swallowing books in my life. I can’t imagine being so creative today if the only source was movies.
Maelstrom: But what about the meaning for YOU?
Peter Wiczwarek: Ahhh.. I didn’t think about that yet.
Maelstrom: It seems that with every new Vader record, the guitar leads improve. But then it seems like it could be my imagination. But this time, I really do think they’ve improved.
Peter Wiczwarek: We want to play a longer set and were thinking about that before we started recording. The Beast being more melodic, if we mix those songs with the rest of our work, the set will be more interesting. For a 90 minute set, you have to do things to keep it from getting boring. And we’re not going to change our style, so we felt this would be the best solution. So you have a point about the melodic solos... Also, there are more dueling solos.
Maelstrom: You talked a bit about the progress of the band. I always wondered when Vader would wither sing or have undistorted or acoustic guitar... and here it is. (Laugh)
Peter Wiczwarek: Yes, it’s the first time in our history that we’ve used acoustic guitar – even as an intro. We also use the clean sounds in “The Sea Came in at Last.” We’ve never written an album with as great a variety of songs as The Beast. The last song (“Changes”)... it’s perfect for playing on stage.
Maelstrom: I sued to live in Japan, where you’re very popular. I remember feeling frustrated that the Japanese would always get CDs with extra material, the worst case being the <Live in Japan> CD that has two extra songs on it, which is in fact the full set. For The Beast, will there be bonus material for other markets, and will the rest of us ever hear this material?
Peter Wiczwarek: We prepared a special edition for everybody around the world that will include a DVD, which will include a 30-minute studio report where we try to give a close up of the life in a studio and the ways of recording. We’ll also have some shots from our show where we played with Metallica in Poland this year. But about Japan, they always demand extra songs.
Maelstrom: Well, Peter, we’re just about out of time. Every new Vader record is a thrill.
Peter Wiczwarek: We’re going to be Vader forever. |