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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
The best thing that could happen to this interview was not to have received the Blind Guardian double live DVD, Imaginations from the Looking Glass, the impetus behind the scheduling of this interview with guitarist Marcus Siepen. After all, every one of the questions one could ask are answered in the DVD’s documentary. This left me with the far more enjoyable position of asking Siepen to reminisce about what obstacles his band faced when they were starting out, and what were some of the major events and influences that helped them develop into the band they are today. We also chatted about why in blue blazes they have so many tracks on their production. That and more with the forthcoming, congenial Marcus Siepen. Read on...
Maelstrom: It seems that Tales from the Twilight World was where you really found yourselves. Like you were saying, that it was more of a thrash band, and that what you were doing wasn’t exactly original. But with the Tales from the Twilight World, your sound started to develop. Of course there have been other turning points in your career, but I see this one as the first big one. Do you agree?
Marcus Siepen: That definitely was the one in which we found our own style. Before that, we didn’t really have one. I perfectly agree with you. On the first two albums we were seeking for our own identity. We had our influences, Maiden and Helloween (on the first one), and lots of thrash stuff like Testament influenced us on the second one. The Tales from the Twilight World established the Blind Guardian sound.
Maelstrom: I’d like to make a statement and have you respond to it. My favorite Blind Guardian album by far is Somewhere Far Beyond.
Marcus Siepen: Fine.
Maelstrom: Ohhh... come on. I was hoping for something more controversial.
Marcus Siepen: I really can’t disagree because it’s one of my favorite Blind Guardian records. It’s difficult for me to say what is my favorite. Ask me the same question tomorrow and you might get a different answer. But Somewhere is one of my favorites. Always has been, always will be.
Maelstrom: It’s the first Blind Guardian record I heard, so maybe it has something to do with it. I find it very endearing. If you could think back, tell us more about when you guys were first getting together. Again, this is coming from my experience with the band I’m in, and our concerns of the speed of our progression, whether we’ll be as good as we want to be; practical things like what tempos to set parts at; putting a lot of effort in recording demos and then realizing the demos are total crap and we have to start over... that roller coaster feeling: “we’re good!... no, were not... hey, now we’re good!.... no, we’re not...”
Marcus Siepen: (chuckles)
Maelstrom: What was it like with you? What were the hurdles or difficulties you had?
Marcus Siepen: The good thing about us was that when we started working on songs, we were never the kind of band to write 30 songs, record 20 of them, and put 10 on an album.
Maelstrom: Yes! Some bands are like that. It’s funny.
Marcus Siepen: We’ve never been like that. When we release 10 songs on an album, those are the 10 songs that we wrote for that album. There may be some that we recorded for singles, B-sides, or whatever, but we prefer to work on a song until everyone in the band says, yes, this is the right version of the song and we can go to the next one. We don’t come up with 200 songs and end up having a couple we actually like. We have a lot of parts which we didn’t use in the past – parts that have been in songs, kicked out, and put in another song, and kicked out there, too.
We’re so critical sometimes. For example, which song was it? “Ashes to Ashes”... That was the first album we wrote for [Somewhere Far Beyond]. We had about four minutes of music for this song. It was weird back then: those four minutes were pretty extreme. They were very aggressive, very progressive... we were so insecure about the song, so we kept the intro and threw the rest away. We listened to those four minutes a couple of years later, and they were perfect.
Maelstrom: What happened to the rest of the song? Did it get re-used or is it lost?
Marcus Siepen: We still have them. We have tapes and tapes of material we still haven’t used over our career.
Maelstrom: What was it like in the beginning, when you were first developing as a band? What hurdles did you have to overcome? I’m asking on behalf of all our readers who are in their own bands, and are struggling with making music that they can be satisfied with; people who wonder if they are progressing at a proper rate.
Marcus Siepen: In the beginning, what was important to us was to have fun. Sometimes we’d jam, but sometimes we’d just get together in the studio and play cards. (laugh) We recorded some tapes and then were lucky to have a record label like No Remorse that was very easy going. Back then, labels didn’t expect so much that you would be signed and then sell a million records.
Maelstrom: If you could think back upon your early career development, what were some of the biggest turning points that you realized, “wow, I/we’ve really improved”?
Marcus Siepen: One was when we recorded our first album. Up until then, we had recorded some demo tapes, but working with our first producer, who would tell us when we were on time and when we weren’t, for example, was a big push. Flemming Rasmussen made a big difference. He was all about timing. For him, either you’re on time or you’re out. He forced us to play things that we hadn’t been able to before then. Working with different producers has helped us all along, like working with Charlie Bauerfiend, who pushes us in his own unique ways. He’d ask us if we were sure about certain parts, and he’d be right.
We’re so involved in our own stuff. When you write and compose something for a year or a year and a half, and somebody comes with fresh ears and listens to all this stuff, he definitely can tell you something that you alone would never be able to see. That’s a cool thing.
Maelstrom: How much has digital recording helped you as a band, and helped you in terms of your song writing? Coming again back to my band... since we’re mediocre, we can do punch-ins. It really helps us a lot. I mean, tempo changes would kill me: to change tempos and still be perfectly on time with the click?
Marcus Siepen: You can punch in on tape machines, but obviously, with the drums, it’s much more difficult because of the cymbals. We recorded digitally for the first time when we did Nightfall... That’s the good thing about being a guitarist: we can punch. (Laughs) Obviously, it’s much more easy to work with a Pro Tools system than a tape machine. For example, even if the producer says, “did you try having the chorus at this part of the song?” you can easily cut the song on the hard disk and listen to whatever combination you want in seconds. This is obviously not possible on tape machines – it gives you so much more opportunities for songwriting and recording.
But you could punch on tape machines, especially concerning guitars. Concerning drums, you really had to cut and edit the tape and glue it back together in different versions. It was much more difficult.
Maelstrom: Would anyone in Blind Guardian hang his head in shame if he did a punch in?
Marcus Siepen: Mm... no.
Maelstrom: Yeah, I’m gauging it because I wonder, (whispers) “should we be ashamed of ourselves because we’re not actually recording the song as it is because we’re recording it in pieces?”
I think that to myself.
Marcus Siepen: Everybody does that. Nobody is perfect; everyone is under pressure in the studio. I don’t know any musician who enters the studio and says, “ok, I’m going to record the next song now,” and starts playing, and plays it the whole way through and everything is fine. I know so many musicians, and I don’t know a single one who would do this. So don’t be ashamed! (Laughs)
Maelstrom: Thank you so much! This is coming from Germany’s best! And I’m saying “Germany’s best” because I went to Wacken in 2002, the year you played your three-hour set, or something like that? People just lost their minds. I met some people who had been to Wacken after that on my continuing tour through Europe. I asked what the highlight for them was, and they all said, “Blind Guardian!”
Marcus Siepen: That was a fine gig, definitely.
Maelstrom: And for you to get three hours. Most bands get 45 minutes, and you’re in and you’re out. They kick you off.
Marcus Siepen: We were headlining!
Maelstrom: A lot was made about the 128 track production on Nightfall in Middle Earth and the subsequent albums. Come on... 128 tracks? Why does it sound thinner than Somewhere Far Beyond? What is the point of having so many tracks?
Marcus Siepen: Most of those tracks, you can’t actually hear them, but if they were muted, you would be able to tell that something was different. Those parts being there just added something to the songs that we wanted to have. It’s a nightmare to mix them. Our personal record was “And Then There Was Silence,” which has 200 tracks recorded for just this one fucking song.
Maelstrom: So what is that, like 80 guitar tracks?
Marcus Siepen: I don’t remember, to be honest, but it’s something like 50, 60 vocal tracks, and maybe the same for guitars, drums, keyboards, whatever. We don’t do any compromises in studio recordings. If we want to try something, we try it; and if we like it, it stays in the song. We don’t give a fuck if it’s 200 tracks or just 50 tracks or whatever.
Maelstrom: I’ll tell you why I think this is funny. And again, this is in terms of the position the band that I’m in is in. I imagine that when you say “80 guitar tracks,” that you mean you recorded the same parts (or variations thereof) 80 times?
Marcus Siepen: Some stuff is doubled. The rhythm guitars are four tracks, just doubled. Concerning all the lead guitar harmonies, you have all the voices doubled, you add an octave, and then add whatever harmonies you have, double them... you build it up from there. It might sound stupid, but we wanted to create a certain atmosphere.
Maelstrom: Wait. So you’re saying you played the guitar once and then made four copies and stuck them in the recording?
Marcus Siepen: No, no. Every part is recorded. You have to record all that shit. That’s why it takes so long.
Maelstrom: So what’s funny is that in my band, we have parts that the guitarists can still barely play once, let alone sixteen more times. We’re lucky if we get one take that’s good enough. I’m the same way on the drums. If we had to do more, we’d quit.
Marcus Siepen: (laugh) That’s why it takes so long to record a Blind Guardian album. It’s not that you go, play the song once, and you’re done in five minutes. If there are 60 guitar tracks, you have to play them 60 times.
Maelstrom: So when you’re in the studio, you must be paying by the hour. I mean, you’re at a level that’s unbelievable to me, but still, you must be thinking, “God, if I fuck up, we’ll have to pay extra!” And the other guys in the band are thinking, “come on, you dick! Get it right!” Is it like that?
Marcus Siepen: No. The good thing is that we own our own studio. We record at home. Obviously, it hasn’t always been like that. We recorded Imaginations from the Other Side in the Sweet Silence Studio in Copenhagen with Flemming Rasmussen; this was quite an expensive production. The studio wasn’t very cheap, and living in Denmark isn’t cheap at all. We stayed there for six months, seven months... I don’t know. Just shipping all our gear over there cost quite some money. After that we said we needed our own studio. We had the equipment, we found the room, and we started recording about 55 percent of Nightfall in Middle Earth here at home, and did the final mix and some of the overdubs again at Sweet Silence. A Night at the Opera was done completely here at home. That’s the good thing. You don’t have to pay anything; you don’t have to travel anywhere... It takes me 10 minutes for me to get to the studio from my home.
Maelstrom: That’s fantastic.
Marcus Siepen: It’s awesome.
Maelstrom: So, there’s a new record coming?
Marcus Siepen: Yes, of course. We started working and the plan is to start recording sometime in 2005. I can’t give you any precise date yet, because if you know the band, you know what we do with our deadlines: we just ignore them.
Maelstrom: Excellent...
Marcus Siepen: So maybe we’ll record in the middle of 2005, whenever we’re done with song writing. I of course don’t know how long it will take us to record that stuff. We plan to take six months, or something like that. Then everything will start again! Touring, etc...
Maelstrom: Do you have a good way that you work? You put out a record every... what? Three years? Two years?
Marcus Siepen: Two years would be very fast for us. The philosophy in this band is that we take all the time we need to finish an album that we like. There will never an album with songs that are there to fill the album. We work on 10 songs or how ever many we’ll have, until we say, “yeah, now we have the songs that we wanted.” If it takes us one year to write, fine; if it takes two years, it takes two years.
Maelstrom: Being in a band that writes original material, I imagine you can’t spend your time writing and practicing AND recording. You have to do one and then stop to do another. I’m sure fans ask, “why can’t you put out a record every year, dammit!”
Marcus Siepen: It doesn’t work like that. Of course we could do this, but the quality would go down dramatically. We can’t write songs when we’re touring. Our heads aren’t free. We’re so surrounded by our older songs on tour that if we tried to write, it would sound like our old material. When we finish a tour, we say, ok, this is it, there won’t be any more tours until the next album is released. |