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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
Interviewing King Diamond was as much about being able to talk to a living, productive metal legend as much as it was chatting with a newly acquired taste. The recent release of the double live King Diamond album Deadly Lullabies marked the occasion, and its coinciding with this journalist’s sudden epiphany on the brilliance of this Danish man’s work was a both a boon and a limitation, for I just wasn’t all that familiar with his body of work. So I went in figuring I’d ask a few questions, get a few answers, and be done long before my allotted time was up. But in the back of my mind, I remembered the time Maelstrom’s former contributor ~Vargscarr~ interviewed King Diamond (but forgot to press “record,” or something): the man talks on and on, seemingly on autopilot.
The foreshadowing premonition turned out to be right. When Metal Blade’s publicist called me, she warned me I’d only get 30 minutes. No sweat, I said. “Well, King likes to talk,” she said. Bring it on.
The interview lasted 33 minutes, and King was rushed off the stage. King Diamond, the actual person, turned out to be well-spoken, having an accent that sounded somewhere between Scandinavia, Germany, England and South Africa. He always spoke enthusiastically, sometimes on the point of giddiness, portraying an ageless adult that still relishes his craft in a young person’s world. During our time, King Diamond revealed many tips and techniques that young bands beginning to record their material will find invaluable. I sure was taking a lot of notes. You should, too.
Maelstrom: This live album you released is a huge success. Actually, I wanted to talk to you so I could pick your brain how you put together something like this in terms of sound – the production side of things. But also, it’s really kind of a thrill to talk to you because of this big legend status. Truthfully, I just got into your music not that long ago, even though I knew about you for years. Honestly, it took me a while to get over your vocals, but now I love them.
King Diamond: Haha! Alright! Well, there are many feelings and aspects to them, yeah? Whether you like them or not, they rarely get boring.
Maelstrom: It’s true. In the past, when I heard your vocals, I always thought, “it’s so absurd! I can’t get over it.”
King Diamond: It was a natural development that happened over many years. You can see many different voices that I discovered over that time; it really started picking up when we started doing the concept albums – from Abigail on. When you get into these concept stories, you want to portray the different characters and the moods they go through. It became more and more theatrical and a big part of the style.
Maelstrom: I don’t mean to offend you, but I remember thinking, “God, is this a joke?” And then I realized, “no, it’s not a joke. He’s totally serious, but nobody else sounds like this. And I have to respect that.” So I decided to check out Abigail again because the guitarist in my band loves it, and I realized, “goddamn it! This is an amazing record! And these vocals are pretty cool!” And now I like your records.
King Diamond: It’s clear that it’s unique. And that’s why many people have said about my voice, “either you like it or you hate it.” And there’s many different versions of how I do things, you know. You can listen to a song on The Puppet Master like “So Sad”: There’s not a whole lot of high-pitched falsettos in that song – they wouldn’t fit.
Abigail was the first metal album to have a concept horror story from beginning to end. And that’s greatly why it had such a big impact. Since then, fans compare everything we do to that, the more fans got used to that style, the harder it became for us to make the same impression on them [with each new record]. But from the reviews we’ve gotten of The Puppet Master, I think we’ve really hit something special there. You have to be so much better than Abigail to get the same amount of credit.
Maelstrom: You have a huge hand in writing the music, and also producing the music.
King Diamond: Absolutely.
Maelstrom: Well, listen, my band has been starting to record some material, and we’ve realized that we really have the power of digital recording on our side. When we have to do punch ins, we thank our stars that we weren’t recording in the early 80s, ‘cause I don’t think we would have been able to do that then.
King Diamond: Oh, man, you have no idea how hard it was to make an album like Abigail. Sometimes you had to let things slip. You couldn’t punch in in places where the drums were doing all these things – it was impossible. If you wanted to change it, go back and do it again. Nowadays, you can basically punch anywhere as long as the guy – and the drums are especially hard, right? – as long as your drummer is so good that he knows exactly what he is doing and can do the same thing again. Oh, yeah, it’s a dream today. Back then, the mixing process for us was exactly the kind of scenario you don’t want when you mix: five pairs of hands touching buttons.
Maelstrom: I was reading about that – everyone was doing the mixing at once.
King Diamond: It was like that in the early days... Fatal Portrait, Abigail and Them. With Conspiracy, it got more automated in the mixing phase. The Eye was also like that. But with the early ones, everybody had a “lift this up to where it says ‘-3' at the second verse, because the snare needs to be a little bit louder.” But you would not give the chore of mixing the drums to the drummer, because he would make the mistake of making it too loud, I can tell you. And the same thing with the guitar: you didn’t let a guitarist control his own solo, because it would always be too loud: “Well, maybe I went a little too over, but I don’t think it’s bad.” And it was like, “no.” We’d do several test runs, and then when we figured out where everything should be, we told everyone to get ready and “on your mark, ready, get set, go!” But what a nightmare, man.
Maelstrom: Did it take you that much longer to record records? When did you start using digital?
King Diamond: When was that, when we didn’t have the big tape machines running?...... man.... (long pause)
Maelstrom: So I guess it’s been a while! (Laugh)
King Diamond: Well, it hasn’t been that long... ‘98, ‘99, maybe. The main thing is to have good engineers who can punch in any place. The drums can be hard on tape. But we used tape for a long time. Time was done on tape; Into the Unknown was done on tape. It was not until we went to Nomad Recording Studios in Dallas that we switched over to the digital format, the Pro Tools. For Dead Again, we used digital tape, which of course became obsolete when Pro Tools came out.
Maelstrom: I wonder if there’s a brand of nerd that has to have digital tape because he or she is convinced that there’s some manner of unique sound to it.
King Diamond: Well, people say that the tape has a warmer sound, and this and that. But if you’re after that, all you need to do, in my opinion, is if you record it digitally, run it through a unit that has tubes in it. I tried it. It wasn’t good for what we had done, but it sounded like an old vinyl album. It wasn’t what we were after, but it’s what it sounded like.
There are so many things with the tape, man, that are variables that you have a hard time controlling: they have to be in these temperature-controlled glass monitors, because you have to have an absolute constant temperature in there.
Maelstrom: God, sounds expensive.
King Diamond: And the tapes would break and do this and that... (shudders)
Maelstrom: It’s kind of charming, I guess. If you feel comfortable leaving it up to fate...
King Diamond: And you had to tune to the tape, almost. If it’s not in a perfectly professional, cooled environment, where you have to store the tapes in the same room, you know? If you put them in another room that’s warm, and they’ve stretched out a little, the you put them in the machine, and they’re cooling down and tightening up, and recording while this is happening... depending on how constant you can keep the temperatures, the better the result will be. We were in situations where the tapes had stretched, and you had to tune the guitar different.
And you could have the same problem with the guitar! If you were in a room that was air conditioned, and sit in the wrong spot, where some of the air-conditioned air comes down and hits your guitar... you’re going to be out of tune all the time. We had to deal with all that shit when the guitarist wanted to record something in the control room, where there was air conditioning. We had to tape up all these cardboard pieces to cover up the inlets so that air wouldn’t blow down onto the guitar. You’re in tune and play the song, but when you get towards the halfway mark, you’re out of tune. And it’s like, “what the hell is going on here?” “You’re not tuned.” “What are you talking about? You saw me tune.” “Yeah, I know, but you’re sitting right under that vent, there.” “Yeah, but it’s nice and cool here.” “Yeah, I believe you, but it’s also very cool for your guitar.”
Maelstrom: What kind of mics do you use?
King Diamond: I’m not really into the engineering side of things. That’s more Andy’s (LaRoque) thing. When we did The Puppet Master, we changed our recording procedure to a totally different format, which worked so well that it’s what we’re going to do next time as well.
Maelstrom: Please tell us about it.
King Diamond: Andy has a very good studio in Gothenburg, Sweden.
Maelstrom: Sure, it’s world famous.
King Diamond: So what we had to do, because we had to re-negotiate our contract and didn’t get the same budget that we used to get (but we did get more guarantees... money was moved around), we could not go in and record a full album and maintain the same high quality and spend the same amount of time as we were used to at Nomad Recording Studios (we would move ourselves in there for two months, straight.) So we found a way to maintain our level of quality. Andy takes apart his studio and brings over some top professional gear to my house, and we turn my living room into a studio. I have the same speakers that Andy has in his studio and that Nomad has in their control room. So we have a top pro environment, but we’re in my living room. We’ve found a lot of advantages. First of all, we recorded all rhythm guitars, harmony guitars, bass guitar, and keyboards here in my house. We did go to Nomad to record all the drums, because we had to. We also recorded all the vocals there. J.T. Longoria, our engineer, has an amazing ear for vocals. I need someone I can trust in there to say, “you’re pitching a little high on that part.” My headphones are so loud that it can sometimes be hard for me to hear on the go. It’s good to have a guy that I don’t have to say, “are you sure? Let’s hear it again.” If he says it’s not good, we do it again. I totally trust his ear.
Andy and Mike (Wead) then recorded all the guitar solos at Andy’s studio in Sweden. We brought his gear back here and mixed the album here. The result we got was amazing. Sometimes we’ll spend two hours finding the right reverb, even if it’s only for five words. And when you’re paying by the hour in a studio...
Maelstrom: It must be hard to breathe at a regular rate.
King Diamond: Oh, yeah. It kills you. You sit there, “We’ve gotta move on; this is ridiculous.” But it’s not right. You’re not going to jump the low fence, because you’re sacrificing quality, and I WILL. NOT. DO. THAT. So that was a big advantage mixing here. We spent all that time, and even more time, on those kind of things. And we could. All the expenses were already paid. And the big advantage of mixing an album in this environment was that we realized that, with carpets on the floor and furniture, this is how the fans are going to listen to it later. I have experienced many times mixing stuff and feeling you’re right there, and then listening to it the next morning at home and going, “(gasps)! What the hell happened to the treble?” And then you go back into the studio with your notes, and it sounds fine. It’s very hard to sit and compensate for something you’re not hearing.
We felt confident like never before when we mixed The Puppet Master. The result speaks for itself. It’s absolutely the best sounding King Diamond album. It’s what people will haer in their homes. It means so much.
As far as engineering goes, we did some different things. Andy and J.T. have some unusual way to set up the overheard mics. We didn’t isolate the microphones as much as we usually do. Like, we allowed a lot of the toms to go through the overheads. It creates a certain tom sound that we really like. It does give you a little less control later on. I mean, with computerization, you could actually go in and replace a tom beat in a roll – if you think you had the time to do those things. This is suddenly eliminated with our method. You can’t displace a tom hit a couple of frames, because you’ll be off what went through the overheads. You’ll hear a flam that doesn’t belong. But we’re so confident in Matt (Thompson, drums) that we don’t need to think about that. But it does eliminate the fact that you have to put limiters (or gates) on all the toms. We used to gate them heavily. And depending on how consistent your drummer is, the gate might not open sometimes, like in a fast roll, because they might be so heavily gated on parts where he hits hard. So then you have to sit there with a magnifying glass and listen to every tom beat to make sure the gates are opening properly. On The Puppet Master, there’s very little actual tom sound. Most of what you’re hearing went through the overheads.
Maelstrom: It’s become kind of a disclaimer on the live records that come out now: “There are no overdubs on this record.” In other words, it sounds amazing NOT because we went to the studio afterwards and added a bunch of stuff. On the one hand, if it sounds good, I guess the end justifies the means, but from a purist’s angle, it’s totally cheating.
King Diamond: This [live] album could have been more perfect. If you’re a musician going for perfection, you’re not going to find it on this live album.
Maelstrom: Well, it sounds very clear...
King Diamond: Again, that’s the advantage we had this time in being able to mix the album. The first [live album], <Abigail Live>, we couldn’t touch a thing. It was run straight down from the mixing board onto a cassette deck.
Maelstrom: How did you record and mix Deadly Lullabies?
King Diamond: We tried a lot of things. When you have two guitars, it becomes tough when you have a solo to make the rhythm guitar hammer away the way it does on the studio recording, where you have two rhythm guitars – at least – going. And it was a question not to move the solo; we didn’t want to pan the solo a little towards the middle, so it would not sound like the guitar was too much to one side. We found the right amount of panning on both the rhythm and solo guitars.
Our sound engineer used those tiny microphones – not those big, fat ones you see in front of the stack. But we also used the straight, live recording, where you get a clean, normal signal. When you record both the clean signal, and the one that comes out of the speaker, you can mix the two later. You can run a clean signal through any kind of pedal you want later to get the distortion. If you could record a guitar without having anything in-between – if you could pop a guitar chord straight into a cassette deck – it would be a totally clean signal. Then you put your pedal in-between the two, and you get whatever sound you’d like to have. You can do the same with a recorded signal: record it clean, then you can shape it later exactly as you want it.
We don’t mic up a Marshall stack in the studio anymore. It makes no sense. We are going through a Pod. I have two. I have one of the very first ones – right when they came out – and it sounds very different from the newer one. They don’t have the same good sound because they mass-produced them and joined components from somewhere else. And all the ones that other people have gotten since have never sounded like mine. They have a little bit of digitalized top end treble that I don’t like. Mine has the most amazing sound; it’s the one we’ve used on the last... I don’t know how many albums, now. Hal (Pitino, bass) went through a bass pod and some of Andy’s equipment.
Maelstrom: It seems that just about everyone records drums first. Do you?
King Diamond: No, not us. First I have the demos done, in which all the rhythm and harmony guitars for the album are recorded to drums done on a drum machine. The keyboards are also recorded to this. This way, Matt has the real deal to play with. (Of course we throw away the demo drum track.) He also gets a click track to stay to, in case he needs it, but he doesn’t need it a whole lot – it’s mostly for counts, like when there’s a break. Otherwise, he plays in a very live, free fashion. And it works really well. After that, then Hal can go in and do all kinds of stuff with his bass.
Maelstrom: I think you gotta go.
King Diamond: ... but when I listened to the live album, in certain spots, I noticed Andy has a tendency to hold on to a long feedback note before going back into the rhythm. And it’s funny for me to picture where I am on stage when this is happening. I don’t count while they’re playing solos. They play the same solo every night. When Andy gets near the end of a solo, I will usually move towards Mike, because I have to sing the next verse; I can’t do that if all I can hear is this hanging feedback note. (At this point, the publicist for Metal Blade interrupts and tells King Diamond it’s time to go, sort of like a parent telling a kid that it’s time to leave the video game arcade.)
Maelstrom: Hey, I had a great time.
King Diamond: Hey, the same here!
Maelstrom: Hey, I wish I could talk forever. But, maybe next record.
King Diamond: Ok, Roberto.
Maelstrom: Take care and have fun today.
King Diamond: Ok, you too. |