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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
It’s cool to get in on the ground floor in the development of a band. Italy’s Absentia Lunae have just started their elevator ride up the black metal monolith, and already they’ve made an impressive album in Marching Upon Forgotten Ashes (see our review last issue). Here’s a chat with some of the band members.
Maelstrom: Possibly the biggest immediate draw to your band is that you have a female guitarist. It's always been curious how women, when in metal, sing, play bass or keyboards, but never touch the drums or guitar. What's more, Climaxia writes all the material, which is not rehashed black metal riffs. Climaxia, do you have a certain pioneering feeling about your role? Or do you "just play guitar," and not consider such things?
Climaxia: I don't like to set my role in Absentia Lunae as a sort of pioneer. As one of the founder members I have been able to imprint our own style, drawing a path that we are following and constantly working on altogether, so everyone contributes to the continuous sound evolution. It's true that women's role in metal music is limited. Traditionally, women in metal have different or secondary roles, but not in my case. Frankly, for what I have seen, I have to say that there aren't many female musicians that I respect, with very few or none if we approach the extreme metal field. I can surely consider myself as an active personality in the band, but, since we managed to set a good balance for personal musical expression , I feel like there's no real leader in the band, just a very good team.
Maelstrom: What guitarists have shaped your style the most? Please talk about your stage name. Climaxia... it can be sexual and also an explosion of energy and passion. Is it both in your case? How does this translate to your music?
Climaxia: I believe that my name should be a sum of all of my own features and my own beliefs. In my case, "climax" is not really a poetic figure, but is tied to an artist I particularly cherish (Aubrey Bearsdley). This artist has influenced my art, either the musical trait and the graphic one. Since the art, and its different forms, is the main backbone of my own existence, I have reseached something to better describe it, without falling into demonology or fields that don't concern me.
Sephrenel: Climaxia can be seen as a real pillar in the band. I mean, we all have our role, but all starts from the guitar riffs. This is what happened for Marching Upon Forgotten Ashes. Now, for the new material, the influence of Aase can be strongly recognized. Climaxia’s a very talented musician with great taste and feeling for melody. I think that the expression "she has a pioneering feeling about her role" fits her well.
Maelstrom: It's always curious for me to hear about what kind of gear bands record with. How did you achieve your thin, busy sound? The drums sound heavily gated, for example. Can you tell us what microphones / equipment you recorded with?
Sephrenel: To be honest, we had a lot of technical problems with the guitars and I'm not going to make an annoying technical explanation on Cubase and stereo / mono effect.(that's why we have re-recored “Triumph and Despair” and a new song on a promo only for labels). Climaxia has a great sound but this is not recognizable on our full-length. For what concerns the drums, the target of Khrael was a cold sound similar to Grand Declaration of War from Mayhem: he mixed together seven different drum kits at the same time, the result is that the guitar sound that came out wasn't so much appropriate for the drum sound. The sound was very ugly, something unlistenable; it took me a week to fit the things better, then I still consider the result "not bad" but it could be much more better, especially for the bass, which is really not perceivable, but it has been a forced choice.
Technically speaking, the equipment we used was two microphones to record the guitars (from a nearly broken Marshall guitar cabinet). Climaxia also has a Rocktron Chameleon 2000, a Brunetti power amplifier and a Hamer guitar with Seymour Duncan pick-ups. For bass, I used a Line6 Pod xt Pro and a handmade 4 string bass with Emg pickup. Ildanachh for his vocal duties used a normal microphone with a Lexicon MPX1, Khrael triggered all the drums, he used microphones only for the cymbals. I think that's all.
Maelstrom: You mentioned your new guitarist, Aase. Could you put into words what his style is contributing to the band?
Sephrenel: At the moment, Aase has a great influence on our music, Climaxia is one of the best black metal guitarist that I’ve ever heard, but trying the songs with two guitars at the same time, it's totally different. This is one of the most important things to get the songs their best. Aase also contributes with his guitar wizardry. They all have a great melodic mind with great taste for harmony, but with two different styles. Maybe Aase's approach is more avant-garde with a pagan taste, and Climaxia has a more melancholic taste; this is recognizable on the piano tracks that she played on the album.
Maelstrom: I think it's cool how you guys don't go overboard with the black metal look for your members. Ildanach can promote evil unnoticed in many settings! What does Absentia Lunae think of its look? Is it calculated or is it every man for himself?
Sephrenel: We all live in a cold place in the north-east of Italy. Me, Aase and Ildanach live in the same little city tightened between sea and mountains. Climaxia lives in a small town on a cold plain and Khrael in a small city between the forests, but we're not from Scandinavia. We didn't want to get a typical Norwegian look on the album. I think it is non-sense to copy others' traditions; we want to be considered as a serious band with its own identity. At the time we decided to do so because we did not find a satisfactory way to use face-painting in a more "atmospheric" or theatrical way. The typical face-painting is black and white and we want to have grey background for our music. Now we've find a good way to do so: we use a sort of particular grey and black face painting for our gigs, like "Feasters of Stone."
We're going to use face painting for the new album, but in a more refined way than the classic style, to get a bigger contrast between the visual part and music, this is due the evolution of our music, the new album will be more avant-garde with a funeral mood without losing black metal elements.
Maelstrom: I hear you. There are bands that I enjoy very much, but I think are kind of funny, like Doomsword, a band from your country who are all about being Vikings. Of course, the band Nile from South Carolina is all about being fantasy Egyptians, so it's not just the European people who do this.
Sephrenel: I agree with you... I think it's a matter of confused ideas...
Maelstrom: What order did you record your instruments in for Marching Upon Forgotten Ashes. Will you continue to do so?
Sephrenel: We recorded the album with the following order: drums first, then rhythmic guitars, bass, solo guitars and voices as the final thing. Now we've changed our way of recording, first we record rhythmic guitars with click, then drums, bass, solo guitars and voices. It is important for me to record after the rhythmic guitars because I mainly focus on melodies and harmony to create and play my bass lines. I like an approach similar to Fleurety's album Min Tid Skal Komme or Ved Buens Ende's Written in Waters.
Maelstrom: Khrael, do you use electronic drums, or do you trigger an acoustic set? What drums do you have, what do you like and what would you have if you could have anything?
Khrael: I usually trigger an acoustic drumset. When I worked on Marching Upon Forgotten Ashes I decided to choose a cold and martial approach but aggressive at the same time. It took seven hours to record the songs and a month and a half to find the right drum sound. I use a Pearl WLX drumset composed of five toms, two floors, two kicks and twenty-two cymbals. It satisfies me much, I really do not need anything else.
Maelstrom: It seems that the popular opinion is that triggers (or electronic drums) are something of a crutch to help drummer who play fast but don't hit hard. In the early years of triggers, they were seen as a shortcut. Now, certainly they are almost always used in major metal recordings. However, lately I've been hearing a different opinion from drummers, that triggers in fact are harder to work with as they can bring out weaknesses that you wouldn't notice without them. Can you comment on this?
Khrael: Nowadays almost every [metal] drummer uses triggers, it depends on the genre and also on the album feeling. To play with triggers, you must be more precise because we're speaking of "sensors" applied on the snare, toms and kickdrums; they give you the possibility to change your drum sound, turning your drumming in something more "industrial," if you want, or a more warm or cold sound without playing it again. Playing all acoustic, it's more easy in the end because the beautiful thing of the warm acoustic sound lies in the not perfect precision of the drummer itself (like on Eld of Enslaved or Bergtatt of Ulver).
Maelstrom: Certainly playing electronic drums is an entirely different experience from playing an acoustic set. Am I correct that you, Khrael, play electronic drums, or do you have all your drums and cymbals triggered? If so, what will you play before an audience, and do you have problems going from the less physical playing necessary on an electronic kit to an organic one?
Khrael: Technically speaking, I use acoustic triggering, it means that I've a normal drum set and when I've to record, I apply small sensors on the snare, toms and kickdrums that are linked to a sound processor. To record cymbals, I use the acoustic way, with microphones for cymbals. So there is no difference of approach when I play live: on gigs I trigger only the kickdrums.
Maelstrom: I've listened to your album fully and am most impressed by the feeling of hunger and enthusiasm in the music. It carries the album a long way. Certainly the style and musicianship help. I can also feel through your answers all the things that I hear you saying you aren't satisfied with. Certainly this is the curse/blessing of a young band. you spend a lot of time doing something, and soon thereafter you can already do better (am I extrapolating too much here)? Has this been your experience? Has the period of contentment gotten longer with each new recording?
Sephrenel: I think it's a matter of "too many ideas." Luckily, each of us is a very creative person in its role, and there's always something you can change/add and modify in each song. In fact, all of us made and still make some changes on the songs when we rehearse; the main structure remains the same but there are variants like new melodies, harmonizations, solos and so on. This is what you can hear in our live shows.
Personally speaking, I feel it’s boring to play ever and ever the same thing. I always add variants, I never play the same figure two times in a row. I can say that we're even more satisfied with the new songs. Marching... was conceived in a particular situation, I joined the band when three songs (“Marching...,” “Engraved...” and “Mirrors...”) where already written. At the time there was only Khrael, Climaxia and Ildanach in the band, so this album can be seen as a process of evolution and maturation. You can hear a big difference between “Engraved by Father's Nightmare” and “Crystallized Illusion,” for example. It's like looking at a path of growing of your life: you can be satisfied looking at it from a wide perspective, but every single step, once finished isn't yours anymore because you're already changed into something else.
Maelstrom: I have to say that one thing that often disappoints me in metal is the general absence of notable bass guitar. Sure, it's there, but it's often very simple or plays the same thing as the guitar. I'll go check those two albums you mentioned out more... but I think bass playing that I've always enjoyed are for example on the first two Opeth albums. How do you feel about the role of the bass player in metal and your work in the face of that?
Sephrenel: Metal has always been guitar-based, and that's why the role of the bass player has not been so important in most of the bands. My musical studies are not metal related, I’ve a wide bass technique "education" but it is mostly jazz. I focus always on something that I'm satisfied with that can value the song in its complexity. I prefer to create melodies and harmonizations according to the guitars than some rhythmical parts. This is the only guideline I follow.
Maelstrom: It's clear that every one in Absentia Lunae has an important role, like you handle the promotion and are the band's correspondent, Climaxia writes most of the material, etc... can you go more into detail about how your band works as a unit and what each person's role is?
Sephrenel: An example could be like this: Climaxia comes up with a complete song or a bunch of riffs, then all we try it together, so the whole structure can change many times according to everyone's impressions and ideas. We all have complete autonomy on our specific instrument, but also everyone can express or propose ideas on everything from drum parts to vocal approach, so the initial work starts usually from one of the guitarists, but the final result it is born from the band's collective work.
For the non-music related roles, I am the main band correspondent for reviews and interviews only for a matter of time, the other members have all a regular job. I've much free time because I study philosophy at university. Ildanach has also a webzine and distribution called Aeternitas Tenebrarum (www.atzine.com) where I also collaborate. It used to be in English, but now all is under heavy re-construction and only the two last updates in Italian are online at the moment, and that's why he is the band correspondent for distributors and labels. Soon we'll become an underground black metal label also.
Maelstrom: Please tell us more about where you live. You know, my father is from Genova, and my family's history is from Venice. I thought I'd get some objective insight as to why Northern Italians aren't fond of Southern Italians. He yelled, "they should all be kicked out!" What is your opinion and why?
Sephrenel: I live in Trieste, a small city of 250,000 souls. Life is quiet here, and strangely it has some interesting similarities with Bergen in Norway (which I visited last summer). They're similar but the Norwegian one is definitely better: they’ve not pollution problems like we have and definitely you can breathe a more sacred atmosphere in their forests; they have been more preserved. It is like their ancient gods still live there.
The history of our land is really particular: the city was founded in 500 B.C. by the Celts and their cultural and spiritual legacy has not been erased by the Roman usurpers. We all carry a legacy in our spirit and blood; personally I feel a strong tie with this ancient heritage. If you take a walk in our forests you can easily find the remains of their fortifications and also a well hidden, wonderful stone temple dedicated to Cernunnos, but it has been profanated by Satanists to use it for their rites almost 40 years ago. There's also a temple dedicated to Mythra (but it's a Roman-pagan cult imported from Persia), it has resisted the profanation of pitiful Christian priests in medieval times.
Trieste has been under Italian control since 1955, so only 50 years has passed. We've much more of the Austrian empire culture and architecture here than the Italian one. So you can easily imagine that our territories has been usurped two times, by the Romans first and later by the Italians during the first world war. Consider also that only the southern Italians (and for south I mean the centre and the south) have the right to claim for themselves the adjective Italian, because they're direct descendants of Rome and if they must be considered Italian, I’m proud to not consider me one of them. I consider southern Italians only as wretched parasites or bastards at best. They're everywhere, they have raped, colonized, destroyed our lands and frankly I feel it unacceptable how at the end of the Second World War they hid all the mass-murders that the Yugoslavians made. My family lost everything during that period and then they've been forced to travel to Trieste from the territories that now are under the control of Croatia, and nothing has been recognized to them, so you'll understand why I'm proud to have more northern French roots in my blood than Italian ones.
Every one of us in the band has northern roots, except for Khrael that was born here but he's from Rome, and due to the extremely different "Forma Mentis" that northern and southern populations have we've occasionally a great difficulty to comprehend his way of thinking and behaviou, too much expansive, you know... We're more "reserved." I don't know if I get the point clearly, that's also why he's much more death metal related than us. Personally, I do not like at all the death metal approach and way to compose riffs and songs, we're much more involved into black metal, especially with northern thematics.
Maelstrom: How about Italian Americans? Is there a popular impression Italians have of them?
Sephrenel: To be honest, I don't know. I've some relatives living in San Francisco; they're good people. I think that the problems come when they've southern Italian roots... wherever they go they're the cause of the bad impression that many foreign people have of Italians.
Maelstrom: Please tell us about the next chapter in your band's journey. From what you've written, it seems certain that it will be more focused and efficient. You mentioned some re-recordings of particular songs on Marching Upon Forgotten Ashes, too. What was it about those particular songs that you didn't like, and how will they be improved on?
Sephrenel: I can't tell you more than what I've already told you, because of all the new songs, only two of them can be considered as "definitive" and there's not a clear image yet. Songs like “Crystalized Illusion” and “Burning a Candle” can represent where we're traveling, but all will sound much more post-black metal. We've re-recorded only “Triumph and Despair” from Marching... only for a matter of guitar sound. We will post a sample of the new song also on the website. Maybe in the future we will re-record Marching... entirely, adding the slight modifications we made.
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