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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
Swedish producer Fredrik Nordström’s name has become a household one for those who pay much attention to the metal albums they have in their collection. During the explosion of the genre-defining Swedish melodic death metal revolution, the so-called “Gothenburg sound,” Nordström was behind the console for the scene’s most important bands such as In Flames, Dark Tranquillity and At the Gates, whose 1994 album, Slaughter of the Soul, remains largely regarded as the quintessential recording of its kind.
Since that time, Nordström has gone digital and opened up his now well-known Studio Fredman where his big name career continued with bands like Arch Enemy and Dimmu Borgir, all the while being rhythm guitarist for the highly acclaimed band Dream Evil.
The following interview with Nordström is revealing both in practical techniques but also in terms of shining the spotlight on the increasing dependence that metal (and indeed, all music) has on technological crutches and shortcuts, and the quandary that producers who value honest, organic, human performances find themselves in when faced with the genre’s demand to make increasingly “perfect” albums. In this, Nordström seems to be a mess of contradictions: decrying the existence of A Tune, but then admitting he has used it himself; bemoaning Beat Detective, but grudgingly admitting to its necessity. But this is the reality of survival in the producers’ world, one that Nordström says is suffering. Could the Golden Age of digital studio production already have come and gone?
(note: this interview was originally done for EQ Magazine, which has kindly permitted to present to you the entire, uncut transcription.)
Maelstrom: I think many people don’t know the difference between production and engineering. Can you tell us what it is?
Fredrik Nordström: Engineering is like, taking care of the technical stuff: tracking, setting up mics... all that stuff. Being a producer is more like being a squad leader for a military group. There are five people and you need a leading guy to bring them to the goal that they want. For me, I haven’t had the luxury of sitting back in a chair and telling a guy, “I want more treble on the bass drum.” I’ve always done everything on my own. And actually, I think that’s the most common way to do it these days.
Maelstrom: I’ve liked your work on a lot of records – and of course you have a very long list – but the big impetus to call you was the last Pagan’s Mind album Enigmatic: Calling. It turned out amazing. It’s one of the best productions I’ve ever heard. So, for example, you being the producer for that band: the sixth guy, the guy who lead the band to what they wanted... what did you do?
Fredrik Nordström: I have to be honest and tell you the real situation with this band. These are six guys who are extremely intelligent when it comes to sound. Especially the guitar player, Jörn Viggo Lofstad. He has total control of the whole band. He’s the producer. The album before, Celestial Entrance, they came with it to my studio already recorded, and they wanted me to mix it. During the mix session, they said I brought so much input to the music, that it changed so much just during the mix, that I was affecting the album more than the guy who actually recorded it, that I had that much more feeling for the music. They asked me if I could use my name as producer.
I’ve been in Japan’s “Burrrn!” magazine three times, and even beating out Bob Rock for best producer of the year once. That’s quite funny for me. He’s my god of production. He’s done some great things, especially what he did for Metallica and the black album. He took this great band and really focused their sound. That’s always how I try to work with music.
Maelstrom: So was it the same situation with the third Pagan’s Mind? That they just wanted you to put your name on it? I mean, you MUST have done some work...
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah, yeah! My part was at the end of the production. Like, “take out that part... maybe you should bring up that keyboard... take off these guitars...” when everything was done already, to clean everything up.
Maelstrom: I took a look at your discography on your Studio Fredman site...
Fredrik Nordström: Oh, that list is like six years old...
Maelstrom: I thought so. There are at least four records that I can think of that aren’t on there. The first time I heard about you was when I interviewed the French band Lyzanxia. They said they had a great time with you. I would imagine that with their recording, you had more of a hands on job.
Fredrik Nordström: Everybody wants to do a big production, but nobody has the money anymore, especially with the internet downloads. With Lyzanxia, for example, I was flying down to France to work with them for four days. I set up all the mics for everything: drums, bass, guitars, etc... We then spent one and a half to two days going over the songs; mainly the arrangements: “take this part out... let’s focus on the clean vocals...” Telling them what to do with the songs. I then left for home, and they spent one and a half months in the studio doing everything that I told them. Then they came to my studio with their recordings and we mixed the album.
Maelstrom: How often is it that when you have a band that comes to you or a label hires you, that a band will be shocked when you want to change their arrangements?
Fredrik Nordström: When people began to “know” me, based on the bands that I had produced from Gothenburg, like In Flames and At the Gates... these are bands that know exactly what they want, but they don’t know how to do it. So they tell me, and I do my best to help them find what they want. Sometimes they ask for opinions – not especially often. But in contrast, Lyzanxia, they showed me the songs and I cut out about 20 minutes of music from the first album. It was like the syndrome of Metallica: two and a half minute intros, and they forgot that they played the highlight of the song only once.
I also did a similar thing with In Flames’ Clayman. The band had been in the studio nights, writing songs and drinking beers. (Laughs) When they came with the songs, we had to sit down and break everything apart again. “Look here, this is the highlight of the song – this is the chorus.” Sometimes there is no problem, but sometimes there are big egos.
It’s funny that the more local the band, the more they’ll say not to fuck with their music. But if they come from Japan, like one band I did, Cocobat, they ask for permission to go to the toilet. The bass player was the band leader. He came into the control room and asked permission for the drummer to go to the toilet. “Of course he can go to the toilet. No problem.” And the bass player runs out and (makes stereotypical Asian noises), and the drummer ran out of the studio with both hands on his dick. Later, after we tracked one song, I asked them how they liked it. And they said, “no, you boss; you decide.” And I said, “no, you are boss. We are boss. We’re all bosses together. Do you like this take, or not?” “No. You decide.” Then they asked for permissions to speak. “Of course, speak.” “We can do better.” “Ok, then do it again.” “Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.”
And that’s a situation I don’t like; I want to have collaboration. You must have the feeling when you leave the studio that you made a good album. It’s very important for the musician. Of course I have the responsibility to the record label and to the fans that are actually buying the album.
I know that In Flames wanted to change styles much, much earlier than they actually did. Around the third album, they wanted to stop using the melodic guitar harmonies. I was the guy saying, “no, no, we have to keep the melodies. We have to do the harmonies.” “No! We are so bored of harmonies!” (Nordström now takes an authoritarian tone) “You have a responsibility to your fans! And they are expecting this stuff.” But they toured their asses off and have had very good success; and of course they should have it. But I wish they had stayed in the same lane, and that may have given them much more success.
Maelstrom: Yeah! They completely changed styles! They sound like metalcore now. What do you think about that?
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah. This is so... stupid. American bands like Shadows Fall copied In Flames, and now In Flames is copying those American bands. So the leader became a follower.
Maelstrom: I saw the pictures of your studio. They’re gorgeous, man. Frankly, I don’t believe it. Like, the picture of the kitchen (pictured below)... it doesn’t look like anyone has ever used it for its purpose!
Fredrik Nordström: We don’t have anybody to clean. That kitchen is what we call “Hitler’s kitchen.” If you don’t clean [up after yourself], you have to go to the gas chamber.
Maelstrom: I wondered who did your cleaning because the whole studio seems dust free.
Fredrik Nordström: Well, I hired a photo guy to make it look perfect for the internet site.
Maelstrom: It looks like you could fit a small orchestra in your main recording room. (below)
Fredrik Nordström: We have done that several times, actually.
Maelstrom: Didn’t you do the last two Dimmu Borgirs?
Fredrik Nordström: Yes.
Maelstrom: Those had string sections.
Fredrik Nordström: Well, the last album (Death Cult Armageddon) does. The album before it was Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia. That album had the Gothenburg philharmonic in the studio. But for Death Cult Armageddon, we actually had 46 people in the orchestra, and we had to fly down to Prague to do the recording there. It’s fucking weird to see all these people sitting and playing, and 95 percent of the musicians don’t have headphones on. They were just watching the conductor and playing. It was amazing.
In Prague, there was a big issue with the conductor and the guy who wrote all the scores. I told them the music wasn’t tight, that it had to be 1... 2... 3... 4... 1! And on “1!” everybody should play. And they said, “no, that’s not the way it works in symphonic orchestra. Some play fast, some play slow; that’s how it works.” So I had to take all the stuff that we recorded home, put it in my bedroom, and sit there when I had free time, and start cutting and moving all the parts so that I could get it to play “tight.” I mean, it was tight, but in a symphonic orchestra way, but it wasn’t tight in the sense of Dimmu Borgir’s style of black metal, where everything must be very precise. I took me four days of editing to move everything in the orchestra, in order to make everything fit. The orchestra has another way of thinking, another way of phrasing music. For example, if you have two guitar players, and you have one guy some in and record a part tight, and then you have the other guy play the same part, also tight; and then you play them together, but they don’t sound tight, because the phrasing is different.
Maelstrom: Now, wait a minute. That means that you actually had to edit all the violin or horn parts, parts that you assumedly recorded at the same time? Didn’t you have sound overbleed that was impossible to deal with?
Fredrik Nordström: Yes! Horns are extremely loud. I had to take the whole section... we had 24 tracks. There were five microphones that were like the main ones for the whole orchestra. But if the violins go too low, for example, there was one microphone on them that you could raise. But the horns... that was an experience we learned very fast: the next time we record an orchestra, wait and do the horns after. When they were blowing, the whole studio was shaking. So I had to cut all 24 tracks and try to find a good compromise.
Maelstrom: Tell us about some of your favorite productions.
Fredrik Nordström: At the Gates’ Slaughter of the Soul was a wonderful collaboration. Everybody in the band was focused, and I like that. They were not drinking a lot of alcohol, using drugs or chasing girls. They were focused on the music. All members in the band had the same focus: make a killer album. That was a really good experience. Actually, we didn’t change very much in the arrangements. We were more concerned in getting a killer take.
I also think of Dimmu Borgir’s Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia. Since it was the first time I recorded an orchestra, it was a great experience for me. I had refused so many black metal bands. I’ve said no to what I think is an even bigger black metal band, from England, two times.
Maelstrom: You mean THE black metal band from England? Cradle of Filth?
Fredrik Nordström: Maybe. I said, “this sounds like a fucking demo. We’ll have to tear it apart and build it up again.” And their answer was no. Someone in the band had a much bigger ego or brain.
I’ve done a lot of albums with Mike Amott (Swedish guitarist of Arch Enemy, Carcass, et al.) His Spiritual Beggars band’s Ad Astra turned out really good. It was also a quite weird experience. When we were finishing up the album, I told Mike and the singer, Spice (Christian Sjöstrand), that we should be in the studio at 10 AM. But they missed some trains, so they came at four in the afternoon. In the meantime, I had been listening to the tapes and adding notes, like, “we should dub vocals here... fix this part because it’s not in tune...” Then they came and said, “sorry we’re late.”
Mike knows how to record, and I had to pick my kid up from kindergarten, so he said, “I will fix this. Give me the paper. We’ll see you here tomorrow.” We went there the next day and listened to everything. I said to Spice, “hey, I wrote on this list that you should dub your vocals on this chorus.” He said, “Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the keyboard player can do that.” “But then it won’t be a dub, it’ll be a choir.” “Ok, I will fix it.” And then he went out. I started speaking into the microphone [to the recording room], but there was no reply. So I started speaking with Mike, thinking that [Spice] went to the toilet. But suddenly, an hour had passed. Fuck, he was gone! After four hours, Mike called his house, which was like 300 km from the studio. And he picks up the phone. Mike asked him, “what the fuck are you doing? You should dub the fucking chorus!” “No, I’m quitting.” So he quit the band. It was a big scenario, as the band manager from England was flying over. It was quite weird.
Maelstrom: Do you often have to deal with people like that?
Fredrik Nordström: It’s not often that something like that happens. What does often happen is the vocalist gets sick when it comes time to record. They get nervous.
Maelstrom: Was Slaughter of the Soul your first breakthrough record?
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah, it was. Absolutely. I remember I was in a divorce at the time, and I was so nervous. It was my first big production. Their one demand for me was that I needed to have a 24-track recorder. At the time, I had a 16-track recorder. So I borrowed $12,000, with all the money from the record label going to the bank to pay it back. So I was also really nervous about this. It had to be good. Luckily, we had an extremely long time to record the album: six weeks. Normally, two weeks [is the standard]. I think the first Hammerfall album – which doesn’t sound very good, but has a good heart – was recorded in 16 days with an extremely low budget. Even the master tapes were recycled, because they didn’t want to buy them. They borrowed tapes from me. “Shouldn’t you buy the tapes from me?” “No, no, no. Erase them.”
Maelstrom: So no remasters will be possible in the future.
Fredrik Nordström: I remember I had a punk band coming in after to record a demo. So I called Jesper (Strömblad – In Flames) – he was a member of the band then – “are you really sure you want to erase these tapes?” “Yes, yes. Erase them.” “Are you really sure?” “Yes. Erase them.” So I erased them. And three months later they sold 150,000 copies in Europe. (Laughs) I wish I had the opportunity to re-mix that album. I mixed it during one and a half days with a broken console.
Maelstrom: Slaughter of the Soul made such big waves with the stylistic originality, but also the sound of it. A couple of years ago Earache Records re-released the album as a re-master. How does that make you feel?
Fredrik Nordström: I didn’t know it. The fact is that the guy from the record label doesn’t have a very good reputation right now. I think they have financial problems. This [re-master] is a way to make money and pay their salaries. I know what happened with the first master: nothing. I called up the label and they said it was the easiest master they had done in their history. They gave it to the mastering guy, who just turned it up and said, “this is done.” I don’t know what they did on the re-master.
I received a re-master of Thin Lizzy’s Black Rose (one of Nordström’s favorite albums ever) from Japan. I couldn’t hear any difference. Then I received a new version – I think they re-mastered that fucking album 10 times, only in Japan – and they did a killer job. And I was so disappointed. Haha. I got used to the toms sounding [a certain way], and the guitars not being crystal clear, and so on... they cleaned all the noise away and made the album, sonic-wise, really good: the toms have full bass... that wasn’t there at the beginning. I couldn’t believe it. I threw the [re-master] away, because I didn’t want to listen to it with the good sound; I only wanted to hear the bad sound. When you have an old recording that you haven’t heard in, like, 20 years, and somebody brings up the “real” sound in it, you can be disappointed, because you were not expecting [what you get]. It’s different from how you remember the album. For example, if you look at Mona Lisa 200 times, and then someone takes off the filter from the painting, you’ll see that she’s full of spots on her face. That, you don’t want to see. That can be what I don’t like with re-mastering: if someone does a really good job. (Laugh)
Maelstrom: I bet. I have a lot of skepticism about re-masters. There’s a lot of re-mastering of albums, many of which aren’t so old. For example, they put out re-masters of the first three Opeth albums, of which My Arms, Your Hearse is one of your productions. I don’t like the re-masters at all. They’re louder, but more grating and tinny. I much prefer the originals. They also re-mastered all the Death albums. They sound terrible.
Fredrik Nordström: I get asked two or three times every week if I can do the mastering for a band. I say no, that what I do is recording and mixing. But the band says they aren’t satisfied with the sound on the mix they come in with. But I can only say, “I can re-do the mix for you. But the mastering will not help you.” It’s important that the recording is good, and then you do a proper, good mix. If you haven’t done that, there is no mastering in the world that can help you. We have a Swedish saying, “you cannot dig gold from a gravestone.” This is the same issue. Bands think, “ohh! Fuck! We did a home recording here and we let our grandpa mix it; it sounds crap; let’s send it to Bob Rock. He’ll do a mastering and it’ll sound killer.” That doesn’t work. You have to do it proper from the beginning. The mastering room I mainly use in Gothenburg, Mastering Room, agreed with me. He’s done mastering for 25 years... something like 5,000 albums.
Maelstrom: Can you explain what mastering actually is? I’ve been told it’s essentially re-EQing the levels to make them louder, but I’m sure there’s more to it than that.
Fredrik Nordström: One thing that is very important in mastering is the spaces between the songs. Also, making sure the levels throughout the songs are the same, so you get a good feeling of the album as a whole. Of course there is EQing if it’s necessary. Then there’s all these compressors and limiters to make the sound as loud as possible, because that’s what 99.83 percent of record labels want.
Maelstrom: I’ve noticed that over the years, records have becoming louder and louder, in the sense that if you always left your volume knob at the same level, the output would keep getting louder.
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah.
Maelstrom: People like that... ‘cause if it’s louder, people think it’s better. Many can’t figure out to just turn it up.
Fredrik Nordström: Haha. I did an album with Eric Petersen (Testament guitarist). His manager didn’t like the mastering. From the mix, they thought it would be better. And I said, “yeah, but you have to turn up the [volume] level.” With limiters, you push all the music under the limit, and you’ll get louder volume. But it also fucks up the sound, because it cuts all the peaks off in order to make the whole thing louder. I think why people do this is because of all of the compilation CDs that you have. They never do a proper mastering of the compilation CD, they just put the song on there. If your song is on and it’s lower, it’s bad. Record labels want their song to be the loudest one on the compilation CD.
Maelstrom: How much is too much when using technology to aid in the recording process?
Fredrik Nordström: I see and hear of a lot of bands that are in the recording studio and who are pissed off at people, because those people are not listening – they’re watching computer screens, making sure all the hits are on a grid on their sequence program; and the same with the levels. I’ve heard stories like, “the producer told me I only had to play the riff one time. Then he took it, making sure it was tight to the grid, and then looped it.” That’s not fucking music; that’s machine work. This is what people are doing today: they’ve forgotten that people actually have to play. I think this is a trend. When you’re speaking about Slayer, one of the best albums ever made, with the right attitude of death metal, was Reign in Blood. Listen to the album: the sound is not especially good, but the fucking *attitude* on the album is killer. You get the feeling that these people want to kill somebody. And that’s actually what death metal is about: it’s aggression. I think this is very important when it comes to music: to have a feeling that you want to deliver to people, instead of doing this computer bullshit to make the tightest album in the world. (Nordström's main control room, below.)

My personal opinion about how much aid you need? You shouldn’t need any aid at all. Only if it’s totally necessary. I have done it with bands that have crappy drummers. I had to use Beat Detective, a program that cuts everything up and moves the hits into perfect place. We did it with some bands, and of course it was better because it was *crap*. But then on one song there was a guest drummer, who was really good, and who sounded much better than the computer drummer – we did no Beat Detective on him at all, because he had the right feel from the beginning. He had the opening track of the album, because it was the song that sounded the best.
(Laugh) If you want to do an album that’s good, it’s necessary that you have the skill of being able to play well. You need a drummer that sounds good. This is something that many drummers forgot to practice: how do they actually sound, instead of playing the fastest fucking drum roll. I’ve seen this many times. They do the fastest drum roll in the world, but they cannot hold a steady four beat. This is the thing I often tell bands when they have problems: “go home, put on an AC/DC album, and play to it.”
Maelstrom: But come now, all the metal albums that come out on record labels that have enough money to pay for production, it all sounds perfect. It’s the standard that I know my band is shooting for, but I have to wonder, how can ALL these bands have drummers that are *amazing*. You must have used this stuff a lot...
Fredrik Nordström: We try to use it very little. Like for Dimmu Borgir, we only did editing on some bass drums, like when the left foot was a little bit early, we moved it a little bit later.
Maelstrom: Does that take a long time to do?
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah. A fucking long time. Some call it “drum designing.” Take Arch Enemy, they have a really good drummer who should not be edited, but he’s in the editing trap, so he’s in England editing his bass drums. I think it’s boring. I say again, listen to Reign in Blood. There’s no fucking editing; there’s fucking pure anger. And that’s good. The first Arch Enemy album – no editing... it’s anger. I think it’s cool. I like it. The attitude is right. I did an interview with "Burrrn!" magazine, and they asked me, “what do you think is the most important thing to making a good album?” And of course, Japanese people are expecting an answer like “good rooms,” or “a good control room.” But my answer was, “that you have fun.” If everyone has fun in the studio, and you have a good collaboration, and everything works, then you have a good album.
Maelstrom: Tell us about techniques that you relied on in the past that you’ve improved on.
Fredrik Nordström: For me, everything with recording has been like re-inventing the wheel. Many years ago, we had a producer in the studio named Eric Greif, who worked with Death... he was their tour manager, and so on... He went to production school, and he showed me a lot of stuff that he learned. I would tell him I already knew what he was talking about, and that I invented it. “No, no,” he said, “this is what you learn in school.” For example – I don’t do this anymore – but putting trigger mics on the toms and letting the trigger mics control the noisegates, so you always get a precise opening on them. I did this during my analog days when I only had two noisegates and I really had to take care of them. I was so happy that I had invented something. But then. “Oh, this is what everybody uses.” “Yeah, maybe I should read the [production] magazines instead of trying to invent everything by myself.”
Maelstrom: Do you still use analog stuff, Fredrik?
Fredrik Nordström: I wish I did.
Maelstrom: Why?
Fredrik Nordström: Because it’s much better. When you record with analog machines, and you fall asleep, you fuck something up. If you record something with a computer, and you fall asleep because you’re thinking about your kids, or whatever, “oh! ‘undo.’” The only way of seeing the music is on gauges. I often turn off the screen in Pro Tools and tell the band, “listen to the music; don’t look at the screen.”
Maelstrom: So you don’t use analog because...
Fredrik Nordström: Well, the editing in digital is killer. Like what I was talking about with noisegates, nowadays with the guitars, I can cut out any noise I want, and define how much to leave in. It’s also much better when it comes to mixing and fading, or taking treble of one part, for example. But analog sounds much better.
Maelstrom: Tell us how you mic your drum kits, and how much you use triggers. Do you like to use both the organic and triggered sound?
Fredrik Nordström: On Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia, I used all drum triggers. Actually, I did put mics on the drums, but he filled all the shells with pillows to make the triggers respond much better, so I didn’t get any [organic] sound. He had a killer drum kit, that was like $8,000.
Maelstrom: Yeah, it’s crazy that people buy these killer drum kits and then trigger their bass drums. I don’t understand this.
Fredrik Nordström: Haha. Yeah. It’s because everyone wants all the hits to be at the same level.
Maelstrom: So am I right that if it’s you, Fredrik Nordström, listening to an album that you bought yourself, that you want to listen to something where the drum hits might not all be the same?
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah. I love when you hear people playing. Why should I buy an album where somebody has played, and then somebody else has done some processing to make it tight. Do you know the Swedish producer Max Martin? He produced Britnet Spears, Backstreet Boys, Bon Jovi, and so on. The first time he won a Swedish Grammy award, do you know who he thanked? A Tune, the thing that corrects out of tune singing. I think it was after he did Baby One More Time. Everybody is using that stuff. I’ve used it. It’s good for bands that have a killer take but are a bit out of key. You put A Tune on it and it works. You’re still working on getting good takes, instead of recording a riff once and looping it, like I told you before. There are many people who are doing this.
Maelstrom: But doesn’t that save money?
Fredrik Nordström: Well, we do that too, but instead of looping one riff, we loop the whole verse. Yeah, maybe it’s to save money. I don’t know... The mixing also take a lot of time.
Maelstrom: I guess the best thing is to play the whole song perfectly the first time and then leave.
Fredrik Nordström: That Japanese band, Cocobat, they came to the studio having asked for one week of time, including the mix. I didn’t think we could do it in that time. I thought at least twice that time. After two days, they did all the drums, bass and guitars for all their songs.
Maelstrom: If you were going to mic a drum kit, would you muffle the bass drum? How deep in would you put the mic? Would you take the resonant hed off?
Fredrik Nordström: Well, it depends on the style. If you’re not playing so much double bass drums, I would keep the resonant head on, and I would use an old tube mic like he Neumann U 67.
Maelstrom: What happens if you are playing a lot of double kick drums?
Fredrik Nordström: I’d put a trigger on there. Pagan’s Mind uses the Roland TD 10. It’s all a drum module. There is no acoustic sound at all. Again, if you have a decent drum kit and a good drummer who knows how to hit, you’re going to get a good sound. For the snare drum, my favorite mic to use is a Sanken CU 31. It’s a Japanese handmade condenser microphone. People don’t use condensers on snares so much, Normally they use the Shure SM 57.
Maelstrom: That’s true. That sounds like it’d be kind of dangerous, that you could mess up your condenser mic using it for something like that.
Fredrik Nordström: It’s a very small pen mic. I’ve actually broken some of them. I tried to get endorsed by that company, but they said they were to small to give endorsements. I use a lot of Shures, who endorses our band (Dream Evil). The Shure SM 57 is THE microphone to get. I had a recording class in the studio once. I put up the SM 57, my U 67, some microphones from Audio Technica, and so on. Most of the students had problems hearing the difference between the 57 and the other, more expensive microphones.
Maelstrom: Sometimes you wonder what you’re spending the extra money on.
Fredrik Nordström: The recording business is like Paris. It’s fashion. One of the best microphones around is the Neumann U 67. It’s a total all-around piece of equipment. It’s going to sound good wherever. A typical example of the “fashion” business is how Germany was filled with these microphones. But then, during the 70s, they came out with transistor microphones, the U 87. It had solid state instead of a tube. So people were throwing out their good tube microphones and replacing them with the solid state ones because they were the new, good thing that was supposed to be much better. But there were a few of the recording guys who said, “no, no. The new ones don’t sound too good. The other one is much better.” Swedish television did the same with its microphones.
Maelstrom: What do you think of Blue microphones? I see you don’t have any on your equipment list.
Fredrik Nordström: I’ve never used them. You see, I don’t buy anything. I can’t afford it. The recording industry is on its knees. People are downloading music from the Internet and not paying for it. This results in recording studios getting less money to make albums. That means I get less money per day, every day. The way it looks now is that I will have to leave my studio and go somewhere else where that I can afford. People don’t have the money to pay for my place.
Maelstrom: So it sounds like the golden age of digital recording is over and was indeed very short. Like, five years?
Fredrik Nordström: (laugh) Yeah, yeah. Look at my daughter. Five years ago, she was asking me for money to buy a new album. Now, she’s downloading the music from the Internet even though I tell her, “if you do that, you shoot your own father in the foot.” And now, she’s instead asking me for money for her cell phone.
Maelstrom: When I was in Europe in June of 2005, the papers were saying that the #1 hit song was a ring tone called “Crazy Frog Axel F,” or something, and that it was the first time that a ring tone was #1 on the charts.
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah, yeah...
Maelstrom: What is that all about?
Fredrik Nordström: I don’t *fucking* know! Someone took a frog sound and used a bad version of the music from... uh... the “cops from Hollywood.” (“Beverly Hills Cop”)
Maelstrom: Apparently it’s partially a recording of some Swedish guy who recorded his moped revving 20 years ago.
Fredrik Nordström: That just goes to show you. Another big hit now is this song whose title translates to “Smashing the Beaver.” You know, the “beaver” being the name for the pussy. And it’s so bad. The song is so bad. It tells you that most Swedish people are stupid farmers. (...)
A microphone that you should try if you want your bass drums very clicky, like on the Metallica black album, is the Shure SM 91. Raise the treble around 10k, raise the bass around 100 hz. It sounds very nice at high volume, but it can sound weak when you play it low.
Maelstrom: What mics did you use for Slaughter of the Soul?
Fredrik Nordström: We had very few drums for that album. We had two toms, one bass drum and the snare, then two crash cymbals, one ride and the hi-hat. It was one of the first times I used triggers, which we recorded as MIDI to a computer, and then we synchronized it. I had the SM 91 on the bass drum, the Sanken on the snare, and one SM 57 on each tom, and then the trigger mics. The SM 57 on electric guitars is the best.
Maelstrom: I interviewed King Diamond, who said he doesn’t bother micing his guitar amps for studio recordings, that he just goes straight through his guitar Pod. He says micing a Marshall is not worth it anymore as it’s too hard to control. What do you think?
Fredrik Nordström: I don’t agree. HAHAHA! I use a German guitar head called an ENGL Savage 120. The company gave us some kind of half endorsement between the first and second Hammerfall albums. I’ve been using the head since ‘96. Nothing has beaten that head, actually. But it’s not for everything. ENGL is very German. Haha! Ok? It’s very controlled. This is the strange thing: you can use a setup for a band that sounds killer, and use the same setup for another band, and it sounds crap. There is no perfect manual to how things will sound. And that’s what I like about recording. For example, on the <Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia> album, we used some kind of guide guitar. The guitar player had some kind of golden red Boss rack and some kind of EQ. He recorded it straight into the console, with no Pod. It sounded quite good. When we recorded the third and fourth guitar, the first two tracks were with ENGL. But we couldn’t get anything that sounded that good, so eventually we tried combining it with the guide guitar sound, and it sounded killer. So we tried it on the next album with them, and it didn’t work at all.
Maelstrom: How much do you charge for your studio time?
Fredrik Nordström: 666 euros a day.
Maelstrom: How much is a day?
Fredrik Nordström: Eight hours. But people sometimes don’t have that kind of money, so I adjust. If you just want the mix, that’s what I charge. No compromises. If you want to do the full recording, then we have to see what kind of budget people have. I’m not saying I’m Robin Hood, but if there’s a really poor band, so I have to go down in price a lot to do the album for them, but I have to take more money from the other, richer bands because I have to pay the rent.
Maelstrom: But you get a lot of work!
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah, but there is a difference in what’s happening. For example, there are many bands recording on their own, because they have the digital stuff at home, then come to my studio for the mix. There are also big studios in Stockholm that charged you $1,500 a day only for the studio. Today, those fancy, really nice studios can be rented for $300, but it’s still not booked. It’s just standing there, and the studios are dying.
Maelstrom: That’s my impression with hip-hop: you don’t really need to record.
Fredrik Nordström: No. It’s like what Yngwie Malmsteen said about hip-hop when he was asked, “what do you think about the music style of hip-hop?” He said, “you call that ‘music style’? Speaking crap over a drum machine?”
But I’m seeing changes in Swedish pop music. People are starting to sing out of key, not tight... it’s a revolution against this Britney Spears, too perfect stuff. People are getting bored of it. Now the most popular people in Sweden are normal people singing a little bit out of key with imperfect drums. And still they’re good songs. People are recording analog because they don’t want the possibility of doing any editing. They maybe could perform it a little better, but they don’t want to do it. One of the biggest hits in Sweden last year was recorded without bass guitar.
Maelstrom: Hey, what do you enjoy more, playing with Dream Evil or producing?
Fredrik Nordström: Argh! This question again. I’ve been asked this about two million times. It’s two different worlds.
Maelstrom: Haha! But I have to ask you!
Fredrik Nordström: I feel very safe when I’m in the studio, because I know what I’m doing. And when we started the band up, I was like a young kid again, not knowing anything, having to go out like a fucking mongrel.
Maelstrom: But it’s not like you suck. You can play guitar well.
Fredrik Nordström: Mmmm... I can handle the guitar a little bit. Normally I say I cannot play guitar.
Maelstrom: It seems like every record that comes out of Sweden, whether it has little to no originality, has members that can all play.
Fredrik Nordström: Swedish people spend a lot of time with the instruments. I’ve found that the farther away a band comes to record at my studio, the worse they are at playing. So if they’re from South Africa, they can’t play.
Maelstrom: Thanks so much for your time, Fredrik.
Fredrik Nordström: It was a pleasure to speak with you. And I am honored that EQ wanted to interview me. I can’t wait to read what I say. Especially when I do interviews for Dream Evil, I’ll spend 12-20 hours per week. It begins to get boring answering the same questions, like how we found Gus G., our guitarist. So I started to make up lies. My band members have a lot of fun reading my interviews. I say things like I was on vacation in Greece (which is actually true), and I was on a beach, and there was this young boy with an electric guitar, and a small amp in his pants. He would go around with gold chains around his neck and play Yngwie Malmsteen solos for girls and try to get laid. So I brought him to Sweden. And people believe that! “Is this true?!” “Yeah, yeah.” “And what’s his real name?” “Constantinos Guitaropolos.” And they’re like, “wow!”
Fredman himself. |