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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
It’s like clockwork: every year, metal fans can expect a new and always interesting album by Norwegian mainstays Enslaved. The group, which is still headed by original duo Ivar Bjørnson/Peersen on guitar, and Grutle Kjellson on vocals and bass, recently came out of their musical romance with ‘70s psychedelia, then their experiment with a more droning style (with 2004's Isa), to embrace a more straight-up rock style on this year’s Ruun. We spoke with Bjørnson about his band’s latest progressions.
Maelstrom: How’s your new record doing?
Ivar Bjørnson: Oh, it’s doing good, man. It’s passed the line of 10,000 in pre-sales, which I believe is more than the total sales of the last record. This is the second album where we’ve had a proper US release. Isa was the first one. Before that, it was more or less dodgy deals and sub-releases.
Maelstrom: What does “ruun” mean?
Ivar Bjørnson: It’s how we write in our old Norwegian language. The runes. The old rune alphabet was made up of 24 runes, and they all had a literal meaning. They were used as a sort of magical language for divination and obscure practices.
Maelstrom: Your site says Isa was “well received in all territories, except Finland, of course.” Why?
Ivar Bjørnson: The funny thing was that at the time of the release, we were getting rave reviews from all over the world, but there were like 10 Finnish reviews that were skeptical. It was like when we started out in the early ‘90s: For some reason, the Finnish metal heads would have negative reactions towards Norwegian bands. They thought the corpse paint was really sissy-like, and so the Finnish bands would put “no Norwegian black metal” stickers on their albums.
Maelstrom: I’ve been to Bergen some years ago. How’s the scene? Are you all still hanging out at the Garage bar?
Ivar Bjørnson: Absolutely! In fact, I spent a few hours too many last night there. It’s a great place. There’s all kinds of concerts. It’s a main location for the metal scene in the western part of Norway. Any kind of metal band that passes through Norway will play at Garage. And the bigger bands playing bigger venues will stop by Garage after their show. This Saturday, we’re having out 15th anniversary at Garage. The whole house will be decorated with Enslaved material.
There are so many bands working internationally out of Bergen. But the city’s like a village. And that’s a good thing. You go to Garage and meet some guy who’s just come back from touring the US and a show in London, and he’ll tell you what the scene is like there. It’s all very open. When a band is recording a new album, everyone will stop by the studio to check what they’re doing. It’s a very inspiring place to be.
Maelstrom: It was a real treat to meet Eirik “Pytten” Hundvind there at Grieghallen. How is he doing these days? Is he still as prolific? I know he still is working with Aeturnus. I don’t believe you record with him.
Ivar Bjørnson: Right. We went to Oslo to record the last album. Grieghallen is still going strong. As you say, Pytten is still working closely with Aeturnus, but he’s more involved these days in production of concerts and festivals. When I’m not in the studio, I do a lot of work as Pytten’s assistant, actually. The thing with him is to be involved in the music scene as much as possible.
Maelstrom: It seems that Enslaved has had its fill with the really far-out, psychedelic stuff that you did, that peaked on Monumension, but existed also on Mardraum and Below the Lights. What do you think of that?
Ivar Bjørnson: I absolutely agree with what you are saying. I think what we did we started with Mardraum, we went much further out there with Monumension, in terms of using psychedelic influences. It was natural for us. At a certain point we felt that we had tried it enough and had reached satisfaction with it. It came a time that we felt we needed to focus harder again — to incorporate those elements a little bit more subtle. For everyone, working with sound and music production, you have periods where you have fascination with something new you’ve discovered, and at some point you have to incorporate that back into the identity of the band that was already there. It was important for us to ake a step back in line to Enslaved’s development. That sums up a lot of Enslaved’s history: becoming fascinated by new elements; incorporating those elements we feel will fit and not losing focus.
Maelstrom: We had spoken when Enslaved put out Below the Lights. I had taken the production of that album, and of Monumension as well, to task. The way you had described it was that “we like a ‘live’ sound.”
Ivar Bjørnson: Yeah.
Maelstrom: Isa didn’t have that. It had much more of a polished, clear production that I personally preferred. Ruun also seems to have abandoned that “live” sound. Do you agree, and what are your feelings about the progression of sound of your recent albums?
Ivar Bjørnson: Isa was definitely an experiment for us. That’s the most produced album that we’ve made. We worked with both Pytten and Lars Klokkerhaug, who wanted to take the album in that direction. We’ve always been very open, as when we worked with Pytten in the past, especially when we’ve worked with talented people that are living in the studio and have a lot of experience. We cherish taking their input and coloring our music. I was very satisfied with Isa. The material and concept fit the band — a cold, crispy, ice-like sound.
But when we moved up to Ruun and analyzed the material, we felt the time was right to do a production where we had sole responsibility. We went into two studios in Oslo. One was Ampertone and the other was Propeller Studios. These were studios that had worked a lot with rock ‘n’ roll and indie stuff, and quite a lot of experimental and prog rock.
Cato, our drummer, had joined us for Isa. He’s an old-school drummer, having been inspired by the guys from the ‘70s and ‘80s. He developed his entire style long before sound replacement and triggers. We felt it was important to try to make an album that — if not with a direct live sound — would reflect how the musicians and instruments would sound in the room. To make a more direct line between the performance and the (produced) result than we did on Isa.
Each Enslaved album seems to have a different quality to its sound and songs — dealing with different musical themes. You could talk about it as lack of consistency, but that’s what makes Enslaved’s catalog somewhat interesting.
Maelstrom: The Isa production worked well because the songs were rather static. That’s what was artistic about the album within your work: the songs were very drone-y, there were very few drum fills — the music kind of sits there.
Ivar Bjørnson: Absolutely. That’s the same feeling I have about the album. Early on, a description we had of the album was of the songs being “horizontal”: An image of something large moving in a very large landscape. The music and production went hand in glove — if that’s an expression. It’s a bit more dynamic with Ruun.
Maelstrom: It is.
Ivar Bjørnson: That’s the main thing about the drumming. Cato’s main force is adapting his style to each song’s identity.
Maelstrom: Is he still with Red Harvest?
Ivar Bjørnson: No! He left in ‘97. He’s an old guy. He’s been playing in bands since the early ‘80s, while the rest of us were running around in kindergarten, causing havoc. He’s an honest guy and doesn’t want to do anything that doesn’t inspire him, and in ‘97 that’s what happened. He’d rather be out of work than do something he doesn’t want to do. Because of the unlikely fact that our singer (Grutle Kjellson – ed) is a very passionate sport fisher, and Cato is one of the guys that founded modern Norwegian sport fishing, they met at some event. Grutle was telling me about this quite eccentric guy that used to be in Red Harvest, which was a band we really loved, and that he didn’t have a band. I couldn’t believe it, because he’s so good. So I convinced Grutle to tell him we had a vacant spot. Cato was ready, and he’s been with us ever since.
Maelstrom: You were talking about how people could say Enslaved’s records aren’t consistent. I interviewed Ihsahn recently (read the interview in an upcoming issue of Maelstrom – ed), and he was saying how Emperor will never do any more records because they had gone as far as they could in terms of progression and in terms of making something they could feel good about — that always making the same thing was kind of sad. So I brought up the case of Motorhead, who’s been doing the same thing for 30 years, and people love it. How do you feel about those two viewpoints?
Ivar Bjørnson: I want to emphasize immediately that they’re two equally important viewpoints. For a band like Motorhead, it’s perfect. If Motorhead came out with a very unusual album, I would be the first to be disappointed. When the Inferno album came out, I went over to England and saw the tour — I’m a big fan.
It’s a matter of taste and how you view things. For us, it’s about trying different things to keep ourselves inspired. As long as a band is taking one of these two stances that fit into their goals, then there’s nothing wrong with either one. The only thing that can go wrong is if a band feels the need to do something different, but feels compelled to continue on the same track. Or if someone has a really good recipe, and they want to do the same record all over again, but for some reason, due to fashion or pressure, they start experimenting without really wanting to. That’s also very easy for a listener to pick up on.
With people that are used to listening to music, they develop a sort of radar about whether an artist is comfortable with what they’re doing. A black metal example is Darkthrone. It’s very easy to hear from the first song that that band is doing exactly what they want to do. You can’t go wrong if your living your dreams as you see them.
Maelstrom: Hey, I have to ask you because you’re so close to it, but what’s Olve (Abbath) from (ex)Immortal doing?
Ivar Bjørnson: I’m happy to convey to you that they’ve started recording...
Maelstrom: Immortal’s back together?!?!
Ivar Bjørnson: No, not Immortal. Heh heh. It’s the project I, his new band. It’s going to be a lot heavier than Immortal was. This is not a public statement from the band — this is just me having heard a few tracks. For me, it’s a mix of Immortal at their height, with the heavy style that Bathory was doing on albums like Twilight of the Gods or Hammerheart. I’s actually having their debut concert here in Bergen, in August, at the Hole in the Sky Festival, so everyone is really excited. And, like in the States, everyone here is hoping for an Immortal reunion. I can’t see Olve stopping music.
Maelstrom: What’s the lineup in that band?
Ivar Bjørnson: It’s obviously Olve... Abbath on vocals and guitar.
Maelstrom: You call him Abbath?
Ivar Bjørnson: Yeah, everyone in Bergen still knows him as that. It’s been that way for 15 years, so it’s hard to change. On the other guitar, it’s Arve Isdal from Enslaved, then it’s the guy who goes by King of Hell (from Gorgoroth) on bass (he’s probably going to use a different artist name for this band, because there’s no corpsepaint), and then there’s Armagedda, the guy who played on the first Immortal album.
Maelstrom: Oh, wow! What’s he been doing all this time?
Ivar Bjørnson: He’s been playing in various heavy metal bands around Bergen. One time I heard him, he was playing a show of Thin Lizzy cover songs. Grutle called me up to tell me, because it was kind of special. [Armagedda]’s been playing all these years. It was Abbath’s first thought when he started this new band: he gave Armagedda a call.
Maelstrom: Do you have any insight about why Immortal broke up?
Ivar Bjørnson: I think they came to the point where they needed a break. They had line-up changes. Of course it was very hard when Demonaz left because of his arms. But he’s still in the background, writing lyrics for I.
Maelstrom: When I talked to Olve (for Maelstrom), he said Demonaz was living in Olve’s father’s garage...
Ivar Bjørnson: Yeah, he’s still around! Hahaha! There was a Satyricon concert on Saturday, and I met him outside. It was like the good old days.
Maelstrom: It’s a sort of a comfort to know that Enslaved will come out with a killer record just about every year. How do you guys keep it up?
Ivar Bjørnson: The whole thing is a self-reinforcing cycle. It’s such a good atmosphere in the band, and we’ve been so incredibly lucky with the people we’ve had in the band. We’ve had the same core of me and Grutle since ‘91. It inspires us to keep going. That’s the beauty of having been in the scene for a few years: we’re able to play around the world and get feedback for our albums. We never took people patting us on the back as an incentive to sit down relax, or think we’re geniuses. |