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interview by: Mladen Škot
Every once in a while, there will appear a band with something new or unexpected to say, which was the case with Aisling, an Italian extreme Celtic metal band. After having reviewed their re-mastered, eponymous debut album (from 2001), and the following EP, Trath Na Gaoth (2002), in issue #46, the music has been growing on us. On the surface, it was loud black metal with ambient interludes, but, paying more attention, greater things revealed themselves. Yet, some things were still left unanswered, such as the relation between Italy and the Celts, the Gaelic language they used — and just what exactly is happening in those gloomy Italian forests. Aisling founding member, guitarist and songwriter Cernunnos answered our questions in an e-mail interview.
Maelstrom: How are things in Trieste right now? I've been there a couple of times during the ‘90s. Is Ponte Rosso still the best shopping place there?
Cernunnos: I hope you like our city! Now it is better then in ’90 because many houses are re-constructed [as are] places and streets. [Trieste doesn’t have] the typical atmosphere that you find in a Italian city: our city is very cold, [the] people [are] cold, the city [seems like] Vienna sometimes also because the style of constructions is the same. But the best thing is the location of our city: there is the sea and the mountains, and the Karst of course. It is a beautiful landscape! Yes, Ponte Rosso is one of the place where you can buy shirts at nice prices!
Maelstrom: I really like the re-mastered sound on Aisling, especially the guitars. Were any of you at the Fandango Studio during the re-mastering process? What did the album sound like before the re-mastering was done?
Cernunnos: Of course, me and Cromm were present during all process of re-mastering. Then the CD got a more re-mastered job in the studios in Berlin. Now Aisling sounds much colder, while in the mini CD, Trath Na Gaoth (the last three songs of the CD you listened to) the sound now is more powerful. The acoustic parts now sounds also clearer, thank to Andrea Bondel of Fandango Studio. We are totally satisfied with his job!
Maelstrom: Your songs seem to be very complex and highlighted by the keyboards. Maybe some parts of the music wouldn't work in the same way without the keyboards. Now, what is the music-writing process like? Do you have the keyboards in mind when you are writing the songs, or are the keyboards composed later?
Cernunnos: It depends. Sometimes the song can [be] born by an idea coming from piano or keyboards, but mainly the songs [are] born from guitar riffs, the soul of the band Aisling. Then, the other instruments give their support. We try also to link the song to its lyric. The CD you listened [to] is written mainly by me. The new release’s main composer is Cromm, the other guitarist. His style is very different from mine, but the new songs work very well, are more [varied], with also some melodic death metal elements and also with more epic parts.
Maelstrom: How do you perform those quiet, ambient parts during rehearsals or live? I really like the way they come and go and the songs still have the same power.
Cernunnos: As many other bands, we try to give first of all violence on stage [for] the kids. Is very difficult to play the acoustic and atmospheric parts live, because [it] isn’t simple to re-create the same atmosphere of the CD, but we try because Aisling are a real band that play live and record the album with the same style. We don’t like too much some bands that in studios do great job but live they can’t create the same things made in studios.
Maelstrom: When I'm listening to your music, I really like the atmosphere, but there aren't many catchy, memorable riffs. Is that done on purpose? Is it all about the atmosphere, the feeling? It seems to me that like this, you can listen to the music more times and let yourself go and enjoy more easily. How do you manage it?
Cernunnos: Our music is constantly in movement; there are riffs that you listen [to] only one time and no more so maybe you don’t remember them, but we try to write great guitar riffs. You are right when you say that our music has much atmosphere, we want it but our music isn’t only atmosphere, we try to give it many inputs: violence, atmosphere, epic and melancholic touch and so on.
Maelstrom: I have done a search on the Internet and there seems to be another band called Aisling — they are from Ohio and play traditional Irish music. Did you have any problems because of that? And, do you know what they sound like?
Cernunnos: There are two other bands with this name. The most famous are Irish band that play traditional folk Celtic music but their last release was out in 1997 and the kind of music is too different from our so I don’t think to have problems in the future. The American band that you mentioned play a sort of metal-core or something like that, even they play a different kind of music. But we discovered that after [having] chosen the name and after our first demo.
Maelstrom: I have understood that the spoken part on "Laoidhan Fogharach..." is done in Gaelic by a Scottish guy named Kirk Callum. Can you tell me who he is, how did you find him and will there be more collaborations with him in the future?
Cernunnos: Callum is a cool Scottish guy that Cromm and me met when we were in wonderful Scotland on holiday. He play the guitar in a extreme metal band called Achren... very cool. I don’t know if Callum will record again some parts on our new CD, but I hope so.
Maelstrom: Does anyone in the band speak any Celtic or Gaelic? Is anyone trying to learn? I know they are complex, and have weird pronunciation, but it would be worth the effort to be able to sing in Gaelic, you could express your feelings more directly and make your band even more original.
Cernunnos: I think the best thing is [for] Gaelic people [to] sing/speak that language. It has nonsense for me — an Italian that speak in an another so particular language… English is an international language, it is a different thing. Anyway, the problem is also that Gaelic is a very difficult language and the places where you can learn are far away from our country. Maybe in another life I’ll speak the Gaelic language in a correct way…
Maelstrom: Where do you get the inspiration for your music from?
Cernunnos: In my opinion this is one of the most important thing to ask to a band. The inspiration is all, you can immediately understand when a band play without inspiration. If you ask this to us it mean that you felt an inspiration behind our music, and this inspiration comes from our inner feelings mainly provoked by the contact with the forces of Nature: a cold night, the sight of the eclipse and so on…
Maelstrom: Your booklet says that Trieste has been founded by a Celtic tribe. Who were they, and where were they from?
Cernunnos: I could speak days and days about this glorious, ancient people of the past. Celts where one of the [main] people that dominated Europe in the Ancient Age. They fought against Germans, especially Romans and other people to keep their lands from conquerors but they were conquerors too. They ruled the Bronze and Iron Age and we can classified their culture in two great periods: the La Tene Culture, born in what is today Switzerland, and the Hallstattian Age, born in the place that now you know as Austria. But Celts were in Spain, France, Belgium, England, Ireland and Scotland, where they keep their roots. Also, parts of East Europe were ruled by Celts, for example actual Slovenia were ruled by the Celtic tribe of Taurisci, while in the Serbian area there were the tribe of Scordisci before the coming of Slavonian tribes. They adored Nature and many gods that represent singular aspect of it, maybe it was the people that did it more than others. Yes, our city was founded by Celts before the Roman conquest.
Maelstrom: How did you find out about them? Carni Catali, right? Are there any archaeological evidences, sights, legends in your area?
Cernunnos: Unfortunately too many ages have passed, Romans and then Christianity destroyed the weak roots of what we consider as “Celtic traditions.” The archeological evidences are not many, to be sincere, as the legends… but we “breathe” the spiritualità that was in that culture, in that people, and we try to reawake them through our musical message!
Maelstrom: Why did you feel the bonds with Celtic mythology and not, say, ancient Romans? I'm not trying to offend you, I'm feeling the bonds with Vikings and I'm a Croat with just a little Nordic blood... or at least I think so. I guess the Celts were more in touch with nature than the "Panem et circenses" Romans? What do you think about them?
Cernunnos: You don’t offend me. The bond is due to the inner sensations, religious personal beliefs and spiritual feelings. Also, the culture [has] attracted me since I was a child, the way to give a sense to life and death, the worshiping of Nature. All these important things are connected to the ancient culture of Celts and not with Roman or Greek or others. Well, nordic ancient culture was close to ancient Celtic culture because both were pagan and polytheistic culture, without writing, and a simple society much in touch with Nature and her forces.
Maelstrom: I don't know much about Celts, so could you tell us some basic Celtic beliefs and principles?
Cernunnos: It is very hard to explain a culture in some words and in a language that isn’t mine. I’ll try to do that: Celts were a people divided in tribes linked to their territories and they fought for that, as all ancient people that fought mainly to survive. They adored much more [than] other people Nature in her divine forms and other minor Gods: Esus, Cernunnos, Taranis, Teutates. Each tribe had its own gods with different names. The society wasn’t so rich and there was a aristocracy with a “principes,” the most brave man of the tribe and with most charm that could rule, mainly in battle, his people. In Celtic society, in spite of German societies, the so-called druids had much power, [they] were the priests, they kept the knowledge inside the society. Celts used to paint their skins, often with blue color, before to go to war, they fought without armours, only with a long sword mainly. They were a brave people, so their enemies remember them. Something of their culture has survived in Irish traditions. And also some important days in the calendar, 1st May, 1st February, the night of 31th October, and 1st August.
Maelstrom: Is there a genuinely Celtic form of music today, folk music of some country, and are you inspired by it?
Cernunnos: Well, we like so-called “Celtic music,” but I don’t think it can be classified as an our inspiration because it is typical of Irish, Scottish people mainly and we aren’t Irish or Scottish, but we come from Trieste, so we try to play music that has some ancient atmospheres played with acoustic and traditional instruments but it has to play as a music coming from our own land. It would be non sense to play Irish music when you are not Irish, I hope you understand what I mean. We play music in a serious way, some bands play “Viking metal” while they [don’t even] have Viking origin, but they play that music talking about nordic mythologies just for trend, but Aisling are not as them…
Maelstrom: When did you start feeling the bond with nature?
Cernunnos: We are attracted by the things that are bigger, superior than us, and Nature is one of [them]. I think the bond between man and Nature begins since the beginning of our life, but then many men forget this and sometimes try to delete it. Instead, Aisling try to keep a spiritual bond with all the forces of Nature, and our music is born with the meeting between these two elements. Our lyrics aren’t [directed] against man or [anything] else in particular — we don’t us the same lyrics of many other black metal bands that are against humanity. We hate the human attitude to destroy all things that we consider Nature.
Maelstrom: Have you ever tried to take a walk in the forest, or just stop at a place where there is no civilization in sight and just absorb things and sounds around you? It can be a great experience. Of course, near Trieste you could just run into illegal immigrants trying to enter Italy...
Cernunnos: As you certainly know, Trieste is on the border with Slovenia and near to Austria and Croatia so in this land, in this area, it is simple to find virgin forests or isolated places. The Karst, our particular land, inspires us very much, in all the seasons. Nature is always our biggest source of inspiration in all its manifestations: winds, water, rivers, cloudy sky, rainy weather…
Maelstrom: Something about your lyrics — on Aisling they are by Ildanach, and they were more vague, just references to the old ways, modern false messiahs, return of the old glory, the beauty of nature and so on. But there wasn't much in them saying that they were Celtic. However, on Trath Na Gaoth they are written by you and more elaborate. I would say that I like yours more. Why didn't you write the lyrics for Aisling too?
Cernunnos: Oh, thank you very much for your nice words. Well, everyone has his own kind to write lyrics, I can say that I’m more into concept of the band than other members because I’m the founding member of Aisling. When I decided to found this band, it was very clear in my mind the concept to follow. I think sometimes it is a right thing if the singer is the same [person] that write lyrics, anyway the other lyrics aren’t so bad and I like it but obviously they are written in a different way of mine. Maybe my style is more melancholic and poetic and less angry or full of hate. For the new album, Sidh and me are writing the new lyrics that concern our land, Karst, a land that if you lived in the West of Croatia you should know very well. There will be also some interpretations of ancient Celtic legends about our winds and valleys. I think it will be a very nice thing and surely particular, you won’t find lyrics about the same themes in other bands!
Maelstrom: Is anyone from Aisling really studying Celtic mythology, an expert in it, or is it just a feeling from your hearts?
Cernunnos: I’m the [most] interested member of the band in mythologies. Yes, we used a lyric taken [from] Irish mythology, but I prefer to describe the feelings I have through contact with Nature and Gods directly by my own words. Our lyrics are born from our hearts and dreams, are not taken from a cold book.
Maelstrom: What is Aisling's attitude towards Christianity? Can you imagine a return to Heathendom happening?
Cernunnos: The end is near for monotheistic religions, they will destruct themselves [and] each other. You can see it day by day, they ruled in a wrong way too much. The process of rebirth for polytheistic religions will be slow and there will be difficulties but Heathendom will return to domain in Europe, I feel it. Maybe some things there will be better, and other will be wrong but our spirits will be free, people will learn a new way of thinking about life, rules, and [the] afterlife. I hope really soon people will return to respect Nature and gods. You have to fight day by day for your rights and convictions but you can’t do much, so I think that Pagans can also just wait for the final decline of monotheistic religions. The world is living in a dark age still.
Maelstrom: What do you do outside of Aisling? Do you all have jobs? Hobbies? Do you go out together, meet when you're not rehearsing? Does anyone of you have a pet? I learn so much from my dog...
Cernunnos: My best hobby is music, I love it. I write for an Internet magazine, Metalitalia.com and for the extremest paper magazine in Italy, Grind Zone. Our jobs are boring. Yes, we go out together but not everyday because if you do this you can create conflict inside the band very often. Many of us have cats; we love animals in general.
Maelstrom: Do you like to read books? Have you read anything recently that you could recommend? Have you read The Field; by Lynne McTaggart? It explains so many things in a scientific way, especially nature and spirituality. A good read for Pagans I'd say...
Cernunnos: Oh, I like very much to read book, especially historical books, my favorite genre in fact is history. I studied that at the university. Sorry I haven’t read the book you mentioned but now I’m curious because I would understand what do you mean for a spirituality seen under a scientific view. I’m a very religious person. I follow the ancient politheistic religion of Celts so I don’t think about Nature either in a Christian view or in a scientific one.
Maelstrom: What other bands were you influenced by, or you would say that they are good and serious about the paganism/nature? Do you like any other bands from Einheit Produktionen?
Cernunnos: Many bands have influenced our music I think but not [any] one in particular. In an unconscious way we have absorbed various influences and we have linked them together and mixed with our personal way to play music. It has been a natural process that [hasn’t] ended yet. Black metal influences are heavier in our sound than other genres, but also European death metal or Celtic and folk music are sources of inspiration for us. There are many bands that did masterpieces, but now they changed too much their style so I don’t wish they enter under the Einheit flag. There are other bands too far [from] paganism to interact with them through discussions about Nature. Don’t misunderstand my words: we are open to meet new bands and socialize with them, but I don’t know if there is a “brother-band” that feel the music and concept at the same way, and we haven’t [got] a band that we call the “father” of our music style.
Maelstrom: How did you get in contact with Einheit, and are you satisfied with them?
Cernunnos: We entered in contact with Olaf, the boss of Einheit Prod. about two years ago while his label was just starting the activity. Together with Norwegian band Ulvedhin, we have been the first choice of the label and we are proud of it. Yes, we are really satisfied with Einheit Prod, they are great friends and hard & professional workers! The best in the metal business, I think.
Maelstrom: Who has done the artwork for your CD, and where were the pictures of the forests taken? They really contribute to the feeling of the album. And, who did your logo?
Cernunnos: Logo band has been created by a close my friend, Ceugant, a talented artist. He really did a great job, so Aisling has a particular and unique logo thanks to him! I’m glad you like the artwork, I did it, using some photos that I did around our area, except for two of them that we liked even if they were taken form other places but they were right for our work. I have done a new booklet for this re-release version, only the cover of the albums are the same; I wanted to refresh the images, adding some more amazing images. There is also a short introduction of what the people are going to listen to. In Aisling all is important at the same time: music, lyrics, images, concept, this is a fundamental thing that people have to understand [when] approaching to our band.
Maelstrom: You say that no political ideologies stand behind your lyrics and concept. What do you think about bands who have turned Paganism into National Socialism? Is this logical?
Cernunnos: Each example of political ideology linked to pagan beliefs is totally nonsense. Some modern ideologies have been very fast to steal many aspects of ancient traditions and adapting them to modern society, but I dislike this.
Maelstrom: What is the metal scene in Italy like? What kinds of metal are the most popular, and are there any excellent but not very well known bands there that you'd like to recommend?
Cernunnos: In Italy every kind of music has many followers, but nowadays the most popular is power metal. Rhapsody, in fact is the biggest band and they come from our same city. But there are many good extreme metal bands that are well known [like] Aborym and Forgotten Tomb. The metal scene in Italy it’s going better day by day, many underground bands are recording good stuff, especially in death and black metal. [However], I sincerely think nordic countries and France have better black metal scenes then us.
Maelstrom: Have you written any new music? I think you said that you will record some new material in 2006. Have you started? And, what will it sound like? Aisling was a more atmospheric manipulation of sounds and moods, while on Trath Na Gaoth you have started experimenting with new rhythms, but that was back in 2002. What direction will the music go in now?
Cernunnos: Many things have already [been] planned. The title will be Karst and the songs will be more [varied] than before, but at the same time the so called “Aisling style” will be more clear. We are trying to do a right mix between evil and epic atmospheres with sometimes a melancholic touch, while the style will be a mix between melodic death metal and symphonic black metal. There will be also many acoustic parts, and also a ballad song and a acoustic one. Many metal parts will be at the same time more violent then before. We have already ready four new songs, in autumn we will start the recording session, but our process will be slow, we want to do all things perfect. The more violent song will be called “Bora,” the frozen wind than comes to our city from far and cold Siberia!
Thank you very much, Mladen, for your interesting interview, we are very happy to have a Croatian fan and we hope to play in your native country very soon!
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