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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
Somehow, we sat on this interview with Nightsky Studios owner and Aurora Borealis guitarist Ron Vento, and it nearly slipped between the cracks. It would have been a shame, because the discussion is loaded with valuable information for metal bands on how to record drums and guitars. Enjoy.
Maelstrom: I interviewed Tony Laureano a few days ago, and talked to him about his recent recording with you for the new Aurora Borealis record.
Ron Vento: Oh, awesome!
Maelstrom: And I wanted to ask you about something suspicious I noticed about the pictures you sent me of that.
Ron Vento: What was it, four overheads?
Maelstrom: Well, I didn’t notice that, but I did notice the bass drum heads were off, but there were no mics in them. Tony said it was because you took the pictures after the recording session.
Ron Vento: Yeah. We took samples of the real kicks. For the CD, I thought it was really important to have every hit solid and perfect. So we took all those samples and laid them in with the drum triggers. So I took a sample from the Alesis DM5, and blended it with the real kick, and used another sample, as well.
Maelstrom: The DM5 has been around for at least 10 years, now. But it sounds really useful to you.
Ron Vento: The DM5 is ooooold. But it’s a workhorse.
Maelstrom: It’s inexpensive, but does that still make it a good thing to buy?
Ron Vento: There are some good samples in there, but there are also some bad ones. It also depends on what you’re doing. As far as metal music is concerned, there are three kick drum sounds that are staples. One is called “foot,” another is called “speed metal,” and I believe the other is called “fusion.” The “speed metal” one is the really sharp, clicky one you hear on a lot of albums. The “foot” is a little more solid, but it doesn’t give you the oomph; that’s why I mix it with the natural sound.
Maelstrom: How about snare and tom? Do you use the DM5 for that?
Ron Vento: Most of my snare and tom samples come from the actual kit, and then I’ll layer it in with a sound replacer. So the main snare you’ll hear is the real snare sound. Sometimes we may take a sample and eq it a little bit, and the sound replace that, and use it as a layer – not to actually replace the track, but rather layer it in with another one. And we obviously keep that really low. It’s just there for snap.
And for the kicks, sometimes, depending on how good or bad the drummer is, we’ll completely remove all the kicks and literally put in the kicks we want. You know, there are a lot of drummers in metal who are not that good, yet it seems like everyone’s albums are perfect. Fortunately for me, I’ve always worked with great drummers, like Tony Laureano, Derek Roddy and Tim Yeung. And those guys play what you hear. So if the drummer’s good enough, you can trigger directly from a brain and layer that in.
Maelstrom: So if the drummer’s not good and you’re triggering direct from a brain, what happens?
Ron Vento: Well, the timing’s all off, the kicks are all fluttery, people will get into what we call train wrecks... in that situation, you have to literally wipe the kicks out and start from scratch. But then the problem you run into is, how loud were the kicks in the rest of the mics? And if they’re loud, you’ll be hearing the flutters and stutters in all the other mics, right up to the overheads. That’s why we’ll sometimes put blankets or long throw booms to not allow the kicks to be heard in the rest of the mics.
Maelstrom: So I have to wonder, what’s the point of having a real drummer if you’re going to replace everything? Why not have a drum machine, if what you’re after is perfect timing?
Ron Vento: Even if you’re sound replacing, the sound replacer is following a certain dynamic that the drummer did. The good news is that with the good drummers, you don’t have to do this stuff, but with the bad drummers, you do. And in that case, you’re right. But still, there’s something about a real drummer playing the stuff you can’t get the feel of cymbals and rides and hi-hats, and toms, especially, [on a machine]. You can always pick out the tom sounds that have been triggered in, you know?
Maelstrom: Something I find interesting, Ron, is how trigger technology is such that kicks are readily triggered, snares much less, and then toms almost never, because people generally think it sounds bad. Why is it so bad?
Ron Vento: Well, to me, the triggered tom sounds good, but it’s blatantly triggered. Like on the Dimmu stuff. For me, when he rolls across the toms, it sounds like a machine. I like the feel of a real tom. You get a dynamic off of it that you don’t get from a sample. In metal, it’s very important that the kicks be dominant. In other types of music, though, we don’t always replace the kicks. If I’m doing jazz, a trigger is forbidden. It’s important to catch the really good sounds from the get-go, even if you think you’re going to be replacing later.
Maelstrom: At Nightsky, what other than metal are you recording?
Ron Vento: There really isn’t a form of music that we don’t do. We’ll do a classical CD one day, and an extreme metal CD the next.
Maelstrom: How about hip-hop?
Ron Vento: Unf... well, I don’t want to say “unfortunately,” but we get a lot of business from that. We take anything that comes through here. In our area there’s a lot of rap and hip-hop. At least a couple days a week we’re doing that. Right now, we’re booked a couple months in advance.
Maelstrom: Hey, I gotta know. Why do you find it unfortunate that you have to do so many hip-hop records?
Ron Vento: It’s not really unfortunate. It all pays the bills, but you know from talking to me through Maelstrom that my heart is into heavier music. So it’s not an unfortunate thing – I’m grateful that the studio is so booked up and doing so well. And to be honest with you, I do hip-hop stuff pretty good! That’s why we get a lot of hip-hop: they hear what we’ve done before and love the sound. But it’s not very fun for me. What’s fun is trying to get a good sound from a real instrument. Hip-hop is about taking sampled sounds that are already there. You can EQ up the sample a little bit, but there’s no creativity in trying to get that sound to tape. I’d much rather be doing something with live instruments.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s the guys that make the beats – I don’t want to call them producers, by any means – and the tracks are the guys handling all the creative aspects. You still have to make the tracks, you know? They’re pulling sounds entirely, kind of like we pull sounds for our kick drums, but the difference is we’re also using the actual instrument’s sound, too. But I don’t want to turn anybody off from coming to our studio. We’re grateful for all the work.. Like I said, we’re booked two months solid.
Maelstrom: How do you find time to practice?
Ron Vento: See, that’s the thing, man. I don’t practice that much anymore. And I’m not going to say my chops are up to par, because they’ve been lagging. The studio has taken over my life. I work in here 10 hours a day if someone finishes up early, I may go start writing a song or doing some mixing on one of my own albums.
Maelstrom: So aside from extreme metal, where the reasons for triggering are obvious, what musical style would need to use triggers?
Ron Vento: I don’t know if you listen to any of the popular pop/punk or pop records now, like New Found Glory, The Used, All American Rejects – all the bands in that genre – those are pretty much sampled kicks. A lot of times you’ll be looking at two or three kick drum tracks.
Are you familiar with that Yamaha Subkick? It’s like a mic that captures the really low frequencies of a kick drum. Everyone I know makes their own. We take a speaker and reverse wire it, so it acts like a microphone to only capture really low frequencies, giving the kick that really low thud. Yamaha markets one that looks pretty nice, but it’s a little on the pricey side. It’s pretty cool, but you can get the same thing if you buy a decent speaker, reverse wire it, and put it up on a stand. And that Subkick, or a homemade one, is on every record you hear, man. It’ll have the real kick and probably also a sample mixed with that.
Adding the trigger adds punch and attack, and it’s especially good if you’re working under the gun, and don’t have a very big budget, and you don’t have time to screw around with the kick drum for two or three hours. Just throw a sample on there and be done with it.
Maelstrom: Now, when you’re getting a drum ready to be triggered, what kinds of techniques are there? I’ve heard about taping or blotting it up, filling the drum with pillows... what do you recommend?
Ron Vento: Well, see, to me it all depends if you’re also going to be micing the drum or not. I think triggers work better if you pack the drum, so the drum is really dead, and all you’re catching is that initial hit. But if you’re also going to be miking the drum, obviously you don’t’ want to pack it full of pillows because you won’t get the real drum sound.
Maelstrom: When you say “pack it full,” do you mean to the brim?
Ron Vento: No, not to the brim, just maybe deaden the front or back head. Obviously, how ever you move a pillow in a drum will change the sound dramatically. But having stuff touch the beater head will affect the response.
If you’re using double kick, too, here’s something that people will do to make it sound more realistic: you know how when you’re tuning kick drums, they never truly sound the same, even if it’s the same make and model? Well, people will take the right trigger sound, and set the pitch of it just a little bit up or down from the left trigger – not enough to blatantly notice, but there will be something more realistic about it.
Maelstrom: Yes. Paul Bostaph told me once not to worry about getting my kick drums to sound exactly the same, because they never will, and that having them sound slightly different is actually a good thing. He pointed out that the first guys who played two kick drums would actually have one kick drum a different size than the other to expressly make it sound different!
Ron Vento: I’ll tell you, I see a lot of kids buy a set, but they’ll never get back to buying that other kick drum, and that one day they buy a spare kick drum off of somebody else, because they know that if they’ll be triggering, they probably won’t be putting mics in their kicks anyway, so they don’t even care if they match!
Maelstrom: There are a couple things I think are hilarious, Ron. One is that you can get just as killer a triggered sound by buying bottom of the line kick drums than top of the line, and the other is some people buy a $6,000 DW kit, and then trigger the kicks.
Ron Vento: Like I said, the great thing about triggers is time constraints. If I have a decent budget, I’m getting a great kit from the get-go, and not really thinking about the triggers till after the fact.
Maelstrom: Really? Even for Aurora Borealis?
Ron Vento: Oh, for Aurora Boralis! Well, anytime I’m doing extreme metal, we know we’re going to trigger. But we still want to capture some of the real drum sound. It just depends on what sound blend you want. I’m looking at the new Aurora Boralis recordings now, and there are literally three kick sounds on the left, and three on the right.
Maelstrom: Now, if you’re triggering your snare, you’re not going to put pillows in it, obviously.
Ron Vento: No. Absolutely not. You see all these guys with tape on their snare drum or toms, or this and that or the other.... that’s because it’s just not tuned right. A drum is not meant to be taped.
Maelstrom: How do you make your own drum samples?
Ron Vento: Say you have a mic right up to the beater of the kick drum. You might want a really sharp sound, so you put a wood beater on there, and you mic it really close. You use the Subkick on the outside, blend that all together, eq it just how you like, and clean it up on both ends (put your fades on it so it doesn’t pop in or out). Then you’ll put it in your drum library so you can call it up later when you’re using a program like Drum Replacer.
Maelstrom: You said you use DDrum and Trigger Perfect triggers. What are your opinions on those?
Ron Vento: Trigger Perfect is more in everyone’s budget. The problem with them is that they don’t go very deep, so sometimes they can’t fit onto certain hoops. One out of every five drummers that come in can’t use the Trigger Perfects on their kit. But the DDrum has a very long base on it, so it’ll fit any drum. But I find that their performance is about the same, even though the DDrum is a lot more money.
The only other triggers I’ve ever used are the Yamaha ones you stick on. The problem with those is that although the sticky pads they come with are pretty good, once you take ‘em off, they’re just about done.. And then you’re back to taping stuff onto your drum, and the tape isn’t going to hold all that well. The advantage is that they’re really cheap.
Now, if you’re really on a budget, you can make your own triggers. Just go to Lowe’s and buy a doorbell sensor, put a quarter inch cable on the other end of it, tape it to your drum, and you’ve got a trigger.
Maelstrom: I’m looking into the whole problem with double triggering.
Ron Vento: Oh, yeah, and misfires, and all that stuff.
Maelstrom: What is a misfire?
Ron Vento: When you’re inside of a drum brain, there are gain and sensitivity settings so you can set your thresholds on where the trigger will react and let the sound through. And if your thresholds are too low, you’ll get a lot of triggers on the slapback. You know, when you’re playing drums, you’re not perfect on your feet, and sometimes the beater will just touch the head. That’s called a misfire, and it comes from setting the trigger threshold too low.
Or, if you’re hitting very hard, you can get a double trigger – it’ll register as two hits. Most of the good drummers I know have their own brains that are set for the way they play.
That’s the problem with those brains: you gotta get in there and set them really good.
Maelstrom: The way I have my kicks set up – and I’m using Axis pedals right now – is with the beaters not too far from the heads. And I find that even when my foot’s at rest, the beater is up against the head. Is that a no-no for triggering?
Ron Vento: As long as your threshold is set to the right level, your beater can rest on the head without triggering a sound. So you’ll need a high threshold. Of course, if you can avoid doing that, it’ll be better off because since your threshold will be high – you know, some drummers, halfway through the song will start to get weaker: they’re getting tired or they’re not as pumped up... so then instead of misfires, you’re getting no trigger.
Maelstrom: Ok, tell me about Nightsky Studio. What’s the surrounding area like?
Ron Vento: We’re in a place called Waldorf, Maryland.
Maelstrom: Where are you from, Ron?
Ron Vento: I’m originally from here, but I moved around a lot. I lived in Atlanta, and during the big death metal days, I lived in Florida. Waldorf is a pretty big town, but the area doesn’t dictate a lot of metal; we have a lot of rock or rap. Most of my metal clients come from out of state, like PA or New York or Delaware.
Maelstrom: How far away has somebody come to record with you?
Ron Vento: As a matter of fact, just today I got a check in the mail from Britain. A pop singer who found me through a guy who recorded some R&B here is flying over. She’s on an independent label, so money isn’t a big problem. They’re talking about blocking out three weeks to record.
Maelstrom: How long have you had the studio?
Ron Vento: I’ve had this particular studio for two years. Before this, I worked at someone else’s studio, 25 miles from here, for three years or so. And before that, I had a studio at my house, that was called Nightsky also, where the first two Aurora Borealis and some of the first Rain Fell Within records were done. I’m not very proud of those recordings. Of course it had a lot to do with what gear I had; there’s only so much you can do with a Mackie mixer. But at the current studio, things keep getting better and better. We have pro gear so all the recordings are coming out great. We’re doing a lot of independent label stuff for like, Crash Music, Diehard; we just finished a recording for a band on Relapse called Rumpelstilskin Grinder, they’re from Philadelphia.
Maelstrom: What does your studio have in particular that would make someone want to come?
Ron Vento: A lot of it is me. People come in for the engineer. I’m not using anything that’s so much better than other places. I mean, I am using a Pro Tools HD 3 Excel system, which is obviously grade A, but as far as console, I’m just using your basic Control 24. My favorite thing about the studio gear-wise is the distressors. They’re on every record you hear, man, from metal to pop. They’re phenomenal units. Any time you’re reading about major engineers, this is what they use – unless it’s an LA-2A.
Distressors are made by Empirical Labs and are basically compressor units, but they’ve got great distortion settings to simulate that fat tape sound. They’ve got five or six different ratio settings; but what’s really cool is something called the “nuke” setting, which gives an absurd amount of compression. Most people will use that if they’re trying to get that loopy room sound; there’s a trick in recording – and I don’t mean to be vulgar – that’s called a dick mic. You’ll literally face an SM 57 at the crotch of the drummer – right above the kick head – and you put these distressors on “nuke” mode, and it gives you the best sound on the world. For a single mic, you can’t beat it.
Maelstrom: There was a little struggle in the bands I’m in. The guy who records us told me I had to take my kick drum resonant heads off, and I didn’t want to. Finally, I gave in. But I see that you take them off for Aurora Borealis. Does this make a big difference? Should one always take the heads off?
Ron Vento: It’s all about sound. There’s no “always” in recording. If you fall into a rut “always” doing something, you’re not making albums right, in my opinion. You gotta listen to the drums and how they sound in the room... obviously, if you take the heads off, you can’t use something like a Yamaha Subkick, because they feed off the vibration of the head. The music dictates whether you leave the heads on or off.
I usually leave the heads on, to be honest with you. I’ll have a hole cut in the front. We’ll have an inside mic, an outside mic, and the Subkick. There will be a lot of things we’ll put on the kickdrum.
Maelstrom: For the Aurora Borealis record you did with Tony, how many mics did you use?
Ron Vento: A couple kick mics, a snare top, a snare bottom...
Maelstrom: How about the toms, did you mic top and bottom?
Ron Vento: A lot of times we do, but we were getting a good sound with just the tops, and he has four toms... He also plays a double ride configuration.
Maelstrom: Oh, yeah. I’ve got a big upturned bell next to my hi-hat that was inspired by seeing Tony live (and also Gene Hoglan on Death’s Symbolic). When I saw Tony, he had an actual rotary saw blade adapted as a ride.
Ron Vento: That saw blade is pretty cool, but we didn’t have that this time. This is a true double ride configuration. Add a mic for each ride, that’s 10; a hi-hat, that’s 11; four overheads, that’s 15; we had some room mics...
Maelstrom: How about the dick mic?
Ron Vento: I did not use that on this record. I wanted to keep the sound really staccato and punchy. I wasn’t looking for that ambient sound. The only reason I set up the room mics was in case we did a strange part where we needed an ambient sound. And I didn’t end up using the room mics in the recording much at all.
I find that when I’m doing more ambient stuff, it gets more diluted. It doesn’t sound bad (it sounds great!), but for this thing I wanted a very cut and edgy drum sound.
Maelstrom: Do you ever use clip-on mics?
Ron Vento: No. I’m a little paranoid. Obviously, when you’re hitting a drum, you’re shaking the tom, and I don’t want any of that vibration or rattle. I do own a lot of clip-on mics, but the only record I’ve ever used them on is my first record that I did at my house. They’re little Yamahas. They sound kind of bad. Live, they’d be great, though.
As far as the mics we use, we put AKG D-112s in the kicks; on the double rides, I used a pair of AKG 451-Bs. On the toms, Sennheiser 451s – what everybody uses. On the snare, SM57s, and on the overheads, four AKG 414s. On the hi-hat, we used a Shure SM81. For the room mics, we used Neumann U-87s.
Maelstrom: You’ve had a lot of different drummers for Aurora Borealis. You’ve got Tony now (or, rather, again), and you’ve had Tim Yeung before. Tim seems like one of those guys like James Murphy: he never seems to be part of any one band... he just floats around.
Ron Vento: This is not to take anything away from Tim, because he’s phenomenal. I think he’s looking for something a little more. I don’t think metal will ever be 100 percent gratifying for him. He wants to make his complete living playing drums, and he’s going to have a real hard time doing that in metal.
Maelstrom: No offense to anybody, but if that’s true, why do you think he keeps playing with these bands that aren’t going to make a lot of money?
Ron Vento: I don’t know if you’re familiar with his work, but he’s also done other things that have nothing to do with metal. Like, he went on tour with Hank Williams, III. But at the same time, he enjoys playing metal, but he doesn’t want to be one of those guys that plays metal all his life. I don’t want to speak for him, but as a musician you want to make your life playing music; you don’t want to be a mechanic, which is something I think Tim does. You’d much rather be playing drums – even if it’s for Hank the third. Also, when you’re a good drummer, you’re in high demand. He’s been hired a lot to do albums. If someone throws a few thousand dollars in your face to do an album, and will pay your way there, you’re probably going to do it, if the band is good.
If you think about the Tony Laureanos and Derek Roddys of the world, they’ve played on a lot of different bands’ records.
Maelstrom: Pete Sandoval is the exception to that rule.
Ron Vento: Pete’s been tried and true to his band. He’s an awesome drummer. He’s an innovator. I can’t remember what album it was, but they did one that sounded like everything was triggered, and I did not like that record’s sound at all. Now, I’m not judging it on music. I’m judging it on sound. I separate the two. Sometimes I’ll hear an awful, awful production, but I’ll think, “hey, that music’s pretty good.” That’s how I feel about all [Aurora Borealis’] records, up until the latest one. When it’s your band, you tend to nitpick it a lot more.
I’ve never been pleased with my guitar tone, ever. A lot of that had to do with the rig I was using. Now, I’m using a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier. So this new album is as close to perfect an album I’ve done, in my eyes. I listen to it everyday while I’m mixing it, and I love it. This is the first album I can say that about everything.
Maelstrom: What didn’t you like about Time Unveiled?
Ron Vento: The guitar sound irritates me. That was recorded at another studio that I co-owned with somebody. I thought the drum sound was a bit too trigger-ish. I put the sound replacer on the snare drum... but I literally just despise the guitar sound.
Maelstrom: How about the bass?
Ron Vento: I played the bass on every record, and to be honest, I hate the bass sound, too. It’s just a DI signal. We went all out on the new album. I used an Ampeg SVT4 Pro head. I went DI and used an Ampeg 4x10 Ampeg cabinet, and a 1x15 Genz-Benz cabinet. So there’s three bass tracks on the new record, where all the older record just had one DI straight in.
Maelstrom: Why didn’t you ever record the amp?
Ron Vento: Well, because I never had a good amp. I’ve only recently gotten to the point where I can afford really nice stuff. All those other albums had the most horrible bass guitar you ever saw in your life, whereas on the new record I used a 1972 P Bass with Bartolini pickups thrown in it. Everything about this album is good, from top to bottom. We used a set of Maryland drums (www.marylanddrum.com), who make all custom stuff. Tony didn’t want to pack up a U-Haul and bring his whole kit up here, but we got a great kit anyway. I think Tony has a set of Yamaha Stage Customs, which are killer. Yamaha is one of my favorite drums, but we got an awesome custom set here. Everything about the album is perfect, man.
Maelstrom: Another article I’m writing is about recording DI using amp modelers. You had spoken a bit about your experience with recording DI. Have you ever used PODs?
Ron Vento: When I said “DI,” I was strictly talking about my bass tracks. On any kind of heavy record, I cannot stand PODs or Johnson J-Stations or Amp Farm, or any other modeler. There’s nothing like putting a mic in front of a real cabinet, and cranking it up. You might get 80 percent of that sound out of a modeler, but putting a mic in front of a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier and letting it fly, to me, sounds unbelievable. I’ve never used an amp modeler on any album I’ve ever done, unless it was a fly-in, auxiliary guitar part. Any time we’re doing a heavy metal record, we’re using real amps, and sometimes two or three real amps. We might use a Marshall JCM800; we might use a Soldano; we might use a VHT Pitbull, but you can bet they’re all real amps.
Maelstrom: Line 6 sent us their top of the line gear. The POD, Bass POD, and their Vetta head. Do you know about that one?
Ron Vento: Yup. I’ve had people bring it into the studio. They hook it up, and it sounds fine, but again, if you’re putting it on a Recto (Rectifier – ed) setting, why not use the real thing if you’ve got it? My opinion on modelers is that they’re good live amps, because you can get a whole array of sounds out of them, but if you’re going into a studio, get the real head, or rent the real head, because it sounds better. Eighty percent of a Recto is not a Recto.
Maelstrom: My guitarist couldn’t stop talking about getting a Peavey 5150, and he finally got one (the 6505), and it wasn’t good. Have you ever used those?
Ron Vento: I know two people that swear by 5150s. I personally don’t like them that much. I think they’re a little fuzzy. They don’t deliver the punch of VHT or a Mesa. It really depends on preference. I have used them on records before, ‘cause people come in here with them.
Maelstrom: I was talking to Jeff Loomis from Nevermore about this, and he was saying that David Ellefson, who’s the rep for Peavey, is starting to sweat because he went to Ozzfest to take pictures of people with Peavey amps, and everyone had gone to Krank.
Ron Vento: I’ve never played or heard any of that stuff, but I do know that Peavey has had a bad name from a long time ago, but they have stepped up their game a lot. I’d still deal with something like a Soldano.
Maelstrom: Yeah, but Soldano is like, three times the price, man!
Ron Vento: You’re exactly right. It all comes down to budget. It’s the sam with the studio. Obviously, I’d love to have an Solid State Logic board. They start at $500,000-600,000.
Maelstrom: Andy Sneap was saying how studios that are still paying off their $500,000 boards have people come in wanting a ProTools set up.
Ron Vento: For about $30,000, you can have a solid studio. Obviously, you’re not going to have the console, like a nice API, or Neve, or SSL, things that really crunch, but with $30,000, you can get yourself a couple good mic pres, a couple good interfaces, a Pro Tools HD system, and you’re set. The HD system runs circles around the LE system.
Maelstrom: We’re still at the LE level. A lot of people are recording their stuff and bringing it in to a pro studio to have it mixed.
Ron Vento: That’s one thing I don’t like doing. A lot of people record at their house with LE and inferior microphone pre-amplifiers and microphones. The interface they’re going through is horrible, and then they bring it in and want you to mix it and make it sound good. Then your name goes on it, and if it doesn’t sound good, then it’s your fault. I won’t mix someone’s home project.
Maelstrom: I know Fredrik Nordstrom was saying his business is suffering because people aren’t recording in his studio, and many people bring in their stuff they recorded somewhere else for him to mix.
Ron Vento: Well, we’re really lucky because we’re booked solid. Maybe that has to do with the fact we don’t put out inferior quality stuff. I’ll tell you something else we don’t like doing, but it’s the wave of the future, is people will track in my studio, and then take it home and mix it. During the day, these people may work a regular job, but at night all of a sudden they may become a mix engineer, so they’re making your tracks that you recorded for them sound bad! That’s happened to me a couple times.
So before we take projects, I ask, “will you be completing this in our studio?” There was this one band called Divine Rapture. They tracked here, and I mixed it. But the guy in the band thought he could do it better, so he re-mixed it on another rig. It didn’t come out that bad, but the album says it was recorded at Nightsky Studio. And that’s not my work. I don’t even want to have credit for an album like that.
Maelstrom: It’s really interesting to see, especially with the advancement of technology, how the producer is the extra member of the band.
Ron Vento: The producer can make or break you; the engineer as well. We sign actual production deals with bands we really like. We practically live together for weeks at a time.
Maelstrom: When people come to record from out of town, where do they stay? At a motel?
Ron Vento: If I’ve known ‘em for a while, they’ll stay with me. I have a decent house with a lot of extra rooms. And you know, in the metal scene, people help others.
Maelstrom: That’s what I’m trying to do with EQ. They didn’t have much metal, if any, until I started.
Ron Vento: That’s superb, man. I find that metal people have a kind of a bond. When I’m bringing a metal band out, they can stay at my house for free. They have to buy their own food – I can’t afford to feed a whole band for a month – but they can crash at my house for that amount of time. If I’m not familiar with the band, we’ll give ‘em recommendations of hotels that are fairly cheap and not roach motels.
Maelstrom: What do you charge for your studio?
Ron Vento: Our prices are going to go up in January, 2006, but now we charge less than $50 an hour, which is relatively cheap. And that’s for anything we do, unless we’re doing a production for somebody. If we have to produce it, we get paid more, because we’re writing parts in songs, playing guitar parts in spots, giving them ideas for background vocals... we also do a decent mastering job, but we’re not a mastering house.
Maelstrom: So when a record says “produced by,” that means that person actually wrote some of the music? Or is it a catch phrase?
Ron Vento: Exactly. For all the local artists that aren’t on big labels, they misunderstand what a producer is. A producer makes decisions about re-arranging songs, or handling budgets. What I do is engineer and mix. When people put me as producer, I’m not into that unless that’s what I did. But people don’t know. And in hip-hop and rap is where the biggest misconception is. The guy that makes the beat is called the producer, for some reason.
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