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interview by: Alisa Z
Incantation’s history is a vacillating one, including continuous line-up changes. Today, it consists of John McEntee, Kyle Severn, and Joe Lombard. Some perceive it as lackluster when they encounter a band whose style has not changed throughout the years. However, Incantation have managed to disprove this notion by demonstrating that it is possible to evolve and yet stay true to what you believe in. The band is as strong as ever, injecting its vehement sensory force into the atmosphere. In this interview, John McEntee discusses everything from the music to foreign metal scenes to politics.
Maelstrom: Incantation has had numerous lineup changes, whereas you have remained as a permanent member. What kind of difficulties does that pose?
John McEntee: It's always a pain in the ass changing members. It's not something that we're proud of or excited about, but I think it just comes with the territory of playing this kind of music, 'cause it's not big money music. The tour and lifestyle is very difficult, to put a lot of strain on people's relationships at home and stuff like that. I think sometimes it makes it difficult to enjoy just playing when there's a lot of business and touring stuff involved in the music. There's just so much business and money involved with everything that I think takes a toll on people.
I mean, I know that really earlier on in the band's career we were just really novice at the whole thing, we didn't really know the proper way to organize stuff. That really kind of screwed up the whole chemistry in the band, because we were too young, we were pretty successful with the band... you know, we didn't have our heads on straight, just a bunch of punks playing metal and not knowing what the fuck's going on.
It's easy to screw up. In a perfect world, we'd always have the same line-up, but the world's far from perfect. There's numerous reasons... sometimes some people we just don't get along with but most of the time, really, it's more either financial or a change in taste that some people might have or whatever. When it comes to the basic style of Incantation, I'm kinda stubborn with keeping it a more, I guess, traditional but original death metal. I really never wanted to change it into something that was trendy.
I like what we do. I like to play music for the enjoyment of expressing myself in playing and not worry about the trends in metal as much. It's not something that's ever interested me. I mean, success to me is more than just selling lots of records and having lots of fans; it's being able to listen to the album, say 10 years from when I did it and still be happy with it; For the most part, I'm pretty happy with our discography.
Maelstrom: have you ever thought of stopping the band altogether? If yes, then when and why?
John McEntee: Yeah, there's been times. Probably around the late ‘90s, I was thinking about it. It was just too much stress in the band at the time. One of longest running members, Kyle, who was in the band for about four years at the time, got hooked pretty hard on heroin, so it really kind of made things difficult, and I definitely was seriously thinking about quitting the band. I feel like there's something inside of me that needs to be expressed and I feel that I'll know when it's time to stop.
At the moment, I don't think I’m gonna be rushing in after a tour to do another album. It may be a little while before we do a new album 'cause I think after this year of touring, we might want to take a little bit of a break. We've been doing so much for the last five or six years that we'd kinda like to chill out and just... you know, if we work on new stuff, then work on it slowly, with no pressure of "we have to get a record out" or "we have to tour." Still tour and stuff, but not have it be album-tour, album-tour, album-tour... which gets crazy after a while.
Maelstrom: Do you feel like you've released "the album"?
John McEntee: I don't think any one album that we've done is "the album." I mean, I'm really happy with the way our new album came out because the vision that we had before and the vision of how it came out is the same, which usually doesn't happen. It usually comes out differently than what we originally planned. It's a strange satisfaction on the last album that I don't normally have. There's usually things about an album that comes out different or better, but I learn to enjoy it or whatever. But this one came out exactly how we planned it to so I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.
One thing that I think's really good about the band is that most people don't have one [Incantation] album; there's not really one album that stands out. It kinda makes me feel good that we didn't just do one album that everybody likes and the rest are so-so. So, no, I guess there really isn't "one" album in particular. I think our style's always been pretty similar to when we started. We always try to do something different on each album, more intensity or maybe one work a little more heavier style or one more raw or faster or something.
Maelstrom: How would you describe the evolution of your music?
John McEntee: I believe I still have the same vision as I had earlier on in the band. It's just kinda weird because I don't see a huge difference necessarily. I mean, I think we're a little better musicians now; I think that I'm more focused. When I write, I know how to get what I'm looking for out of the music more... but I really don't see a huge style change. But I also have a pet peeve, I guess, about that if there was any sort of major change in the band's style or major change in the music, in any way, that it should be done under a different [name].
I always wanted to have Incantation as a band that's dedicated to what we wanna do and not be something that changes drastically... like a lot of the thrash bands I grew up with changed. Kreator changed drastically over time, or even a band like Sodom changed pretty drastically. Even metal bands like Judas Priest changed a lot on Turbo and stuff like that. I never wanted to have that kind of change. If I wanted to do something drastic, to be like Paradise Lost or Amorphis, I would just start a new band and have it be that style. I'm not into Amorphis starting off as a death metal band and changing into a weird folk whatever they are. In my opinion, it's not the proper way to do things.
I mean, I don't make all the laws for metal or anything, but as a fan of a band, I think the band should have respect to their fans and say, "Okay, we're changing our ideas, we're changing our band, it might be the same members, but we want to play more folk metal now so we'll start a folk metal band and keep the original band as what it was." And it's okay! I've no problem when bands change what they want to do, but I think they should have respect for their fans. I think people in general know what to expect, for the most part, with an Incan album, and I'm happy with that.
Maelstrom: How has the public back home responded to your last album?
John McEntee: It's been really good. The media aspect of it, press and stuff, have been really accommodating. The fans of the band really liked it, and we've been getting a lot of new fans because I think the production on our newer albums is a little better.
Maelstrom: What do you think is the most significant difference between the US metal scene and the scene elsewhere?
John McEntee: The scene is different in Europe than it is in South America, and different in the US. It’s sad to say, but it’s a lot more trendier in America, I think. Like right now, metalcore is really popular in America and it just goes through waves. In Europe, the metal scene’s more stable; new things might come up and do well, but the older stuff usually does well, too. I think there’s a lot more styles of metal in Europe that are, say, more popular at one time; in the US, though, it’s like one or two styles that are popular. Everything else has a lot more struggling to do in the scene.
It’s really difficult to be able to deal with that kind of trendiness cause the major press — if you’re not what’s cool and hip at the time — they just have no interest whatsoever. Like a lot of the tours in the States that are happening, it’s just a lot of really — well, I consider crappy — bands, like metalcore-type bands. We don’t have a lot of metal tours. Even if we have a good band touring, it usually has crappy bands opening up, you know. So, it really kind of sucks in the States for metal, unfortunately.
I think it’s good that a band like Iron Maiden could do well, but at the same time, other styles like Nightwish or something could do well, or even a death metal band could do well here or an old school thrash band could do well here. We’ve always kind of not fit in with the American scene because America in general for music has always been pop culture and very trendy, and we’re everything that isn’t. We’re totally anti-trendy and we don’t care that much. We wanna do albums, we wanna get to the people that like it and stuff, but we’re not into just conforming and jumping through hoops to sell records and have to do something stupid like that. I’m more of an old-school kinda dude (laughs).
Maelstrom: What do you look forward to the most each time you go on tour outside the States?
John McEntee: For me, it’s really just playing. [What’s more], it’s feeling the power from die-hard fans that might not have gotten to see us that many times or someone that might really be into our stuff. Just to feel the power from the crowd, hang out and talk with people, just see friends that I’ve made over the years in other countries. Metal is a good way to relate to people, you know, and just to hang out with cool people. It’s really awesome to able to play and be able to relate to people in other cultures, in other parts of the world, through music. So, that’s what I kinda look forward to the most. I mean, playing metal is a lot of fun otherwise I wouldn’t do it, ‘cause it doesn’t pay well and it’s a lot of work (laughs).
Maelstrom: What’s the most embarrassing thing that’s ever happened to you during a concert?
John McEntee: Well, it didn’t happen to me but… our old vocalist, Mike Saez, some girl ran up on stage and tried pulling down his pants while he’s playing, so that was pretty funny (laughs). For me, the thing I could think of recently was the Denver tour we did in the US with Vital Remains. I, uh… fell off the stage and… that was kind of funny (laughs). It was the way the stage was set up. There was monitors on the side corners and there was space where the stage was and the monitor was. Usually they have white tape or yellow tape to see the outline of the stage, but they had no tape there and I wanted to do vocals for one of the songs so I put my foot down right into the fucking floor. I just fell over and the guitar went “boooong,” ‘cause I hit the guitar and everything. The sound guy working for us on tour thought I broke a string or something, runs up on stage and sees me trying to get up out of his hole in the stage.
Maelstrom: What’s your view on the world today?
John McEntee: There’s a lot of problems, obviously. Everybody knows that, but I don’t really have the answers to anything like that. I mean, I’m a musician, you know. I honestly can’t say what people should do or not do. I really don’t know… I don’t know who’s right and who’s wrong. And it’s pretty stupid, really, because I think — at least for me — when I get to know people from other countries and stuff, I realize that there’s so many similarities in most cultures around the world. But for some reason, we always seem to concentrate on the negative things.
A lot of people in Europe and everywhere in the world have such a distorted view on how America is and [the reality is] not even close to the way it comes across in the media. Just like in France, when you guys had the riots a few years ago; in America, we thought that France was under a revolution or something. It wasn’t true, but part of the problem is that the media fuels so much more problems than there already is.
As far as religion causing problems and stuff like that throughout the world… that seems like the big problem. All the Middle East problems, it’s all religious stuff and it seems really dumb to me, because I believe that there’s nothing wrong with people being religious, but just don’t be an idiot about it. I also think that spirituality is something that should be personal and I don’t understand why religious fundamentalists are so obsessed with the right and wrong of religion or whatever. I don’t necessarily think anyone really knows what’s right or what’s wrong; they only have their view on it or whatnot. Definitely, religion’s a big problem and that’s one of the big reasons why I’m against it; because I don’t believe in it. I believe that people should believe in themselves. I don’t wanna have to change my life for it; if you wanna go to church or go a mosque or synagogue or whatever, I don’t care… just leave me alone and let me believe in the stuff that I believe in or do what I wanna do. But unfortunately, it’s not like that; it’s never been like that.
Europe has a horrible reputation for tolerance for religion in the past, with everything from Fascism to the Inquisition in Spain… Crusades. Some people are just so weak that they’re just obsessed too much with religion that they fuck up the world. I don’t know if that’s ever gonna change ‘cause people wanna believe, for some reason, that their way is right and that’s the only way that’s right.
The way I live my life, the way I play music… I play music that I like to play and there’s no right or wrong way to do it; but the way I do it, it’s right for me. At the end of the day, I could care less if somebody is catholic or whatever.
Maelstrom: Would you ever vote for Bush to remain president?
John McEntee: I didn’t vote in the last election or nothing, but both Bush and Kerry really sucked. I think the problem in the States is that we don’t really have a lot of positive, good politicians to vote for, that’s why Bush ended up being re-elected; not because people really, really liked him a lot but because John Kerry really sucked. The way we look at it in America, politics is you try to pick the [best] of two evils in the situation. I know President Bush by far isn’t the best president in the world but I do think that in most countries, the leaders are fucked, too, even though we get a lot of crap because of the stuff with the war, I understand. I don’t hate my country by any means… I mean I love my country; I don’t agree with all the decisions that the politicians make.
But I’ve traveled the world a lot and I think it’s really strange, because a lot of countries have even worse governments and worse corruption in their government than we do, and people instead would complain about America and complain about Bush. It’s like, there are a lot more other problems in the world, with other countries which I think are fucked. But as far as voting for Bush, I don’t think I would, but it depends on what my choices are. I know that the last time with Kerry, he was really too much of a wimp. I mean, President Bush is nothing I’m proud of, but Kerry sucked a lot. This is the thing that American people thought was better about Bush than Kerry, the last time; Kerry would say something, but then go back on his word.
You might not agree with President Bush, but I think that he believes in what he does; even if you don’t agree with it, he says what he thinks or what he believes in. I think people in America appreciate that, because Kerry will say something to make you happy, but then say something to make this guy happy. It makes the situation almost worse; it’s better to know where somebody stands and be able to disagree with them, than to not know what someone’s gonna do. Bush, you know what he’s gonna do. We know he’s still gonna stay in Iraq and he had a plan, maybe not the best plan, but he had a plan. We get the same shit, the government, for the most part, is the same. For my life, there’s been no major difference, whoever the president is; it’s all the same shit.
Maelstrom: What would you change if you were in charge?
John McEntee: It wouldn’t be reasonable because my beliefs, like I said, are more anti-religion and stuff like that; this is what I believe for myself. I wouldn’t be a healthy ruler, because I’d probably want everybody to relax, to not get so worked up about everything, you know. Believe what you want; just don’t bother other people. But it’s impossible, because it would never work. I look at things too simple and the world isn’t simple. Stuff in the Middle East, between the Jews and the Muslims, they’ve been fighting for years and years and it’s not gonna be solved by anything.
I mean, look at the Baltic states: when communists left, they went back to fighting each other after living together for a while. It’s very complex. I think that was very strange, because if they could live forty years together in peace and then all of a sudden, communists leave and they hate their neighbours… that seems very strange to me. My nationality is Irish and the Irish have always been very stupid too, as far as the Protestants and Catholics, which I never understood because to me, the religions are so similar… such minor differences. It seems very strange that they would be killing each other over such minute issues. Does it really matter if this person is Christian or if this person is Protestant? I mean, really, it’s the same shit. I mean, who gives a crap? If you believe in Jesus or you believe in God or you believe in nothing… really, who gives a fuck?
Maelstrom: Do you have anything else to say?
John McEntee: Thanks a lot for the interview. It’s really cool to be able to come back and play in France. We played in Strasbourg last night, and that show was a lot of fun. People are really cool out there. We’ve mostly played in Paris, but we played over in Nancy, too. The “Tattoo Your Mind” festival a few years back. It’s pretty cool that the French death metal scene is pretty good. All the people that come to the shows seem like they’re great fans, cool people and everything, so it’s awesome. Thanks very much for the interview, I appreciate it. It’s great to give a shout-out to Listenable Records ‘cause Laurent’s definitely doing a very good job with us over here and it’s killer. (Laughs)
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