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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
It’s some weird lot in life to be at the top of what you do, but having to leave your country to be able to be appreciated for it. Such is the strange lot of New Jersey’s Symphony X, without question one of the biggest and remarkable bands in progressive metal, and yet they seem to only be able to tour anywhere BUT here.
The five-piece has always been about classical scale-driven songs. While many, many metal bands are classically-inspired, Symphony X are one of the few that do so in a dark and heavy manner, yet still remaining clean and melodic. Their newest album, Paradise Lost, sees the band going more in a power metal, hard rockin’ direction, and we wanted to hear what guitarist Michael Romeo had to say about that.
Maelstrom: This new record has got to be the most energetic, rip-roaring Symphony X I’ve heard. And I’ve heard all of them.
Michael Romeo: I agree with you.
Maelstrom: What did you guys do this time?
Michael Romeo: The decision early on, when we started working on the album, was that: more aggressive, more guitar-riff oriented... keeping the songs really focused and to the point — trying to have a lot of continuity; like you said, high-energy.
As time went on, there were problems with the writing as we were doing some touring. We knew expectations were a little higher, and we wanted to deliver something that was really cool. We definitely put a lot of work into it.
Maelstrom: But that’s what you always do, isn’t it?
Michael Romeo: Yeah, but this time more pressure and stress. It had been so long since the last album. We were taking some heat.
Maelstrom: You talked about riffs being central. I think mostly of the second song on the album (“Domination”). You have that central riff that you repeat a lot, but it’s so killer that it works well.
Michael Romeo: We didn’t want to overthink too much... at least with the initial writing.
Maelstrom: No half-hour songs this time, right?
Michael Romeo: Honestly, there was a little talk of that, and I did dabble a bit. We tried it, and it just wasn’t happening. That was how the Paradise Lost theme came about. It was a possibility for a long song.
Maelstrom: Sure. You could go crazy with that.
Michael Romeo: But it wasn’t happening. We decided to not do a concept record, but keep things real heavy and a little bit on the darker side overall.
Maelstrom: The last one you did on Metal Blade was the V record. I really like that record, but the only critique I have is that the production is kind of muddy.
Michael Romeo: Yeah. Yeah.
Maelstrom: That’s alright. It’s not like it sucks, or anything. I didn’t bring it up to say, “hey, Mike, you made a bad record!” I was bringing it up to compare with the improvement you made on The Odyssey (the next album) in particular, and now Paradise Lost... the production just gets better and better. What are you doing different in terms of the gear or techniques you use?
Michael Romeo: Looking back on the early albums, the production wasn’t really good at all. Over time, it’s something you’re more conscious of. We do most of the recording here at my studio. And we learned from our mistakes.
I know the first album doesn’t sound good. We did a lot of the second album in a real studio. With Divine [Wings of Tragedy], the third album, we did about half and half, with a lot of stuff at home. As you go, you kind of learn. With V, The Odyssey, and this album, everything was recorded here.
Maelstrom: What about Twilight in Olympus?
Michael Romeo: I think we did the drums and some guitars over at Eric Rachel’s studio. This album was about experimenting: Figuring out what it took to get good-sounding performances.
Maelstrom: How are you approaching the drums differently than in the past? On Divine Wings of Tragedy for example — and many consider that your best record, and I wouldn’t argue with that — the kick drums aren’t as clear when the tempos pick up. But on the new one, you can hear them really well. What are you doing differently?
Michael Romeo: The main thing is the mixing process. We brought in Jens Bogren (Katatonia, Amon Amarth, Opeth) from Sweden, and he mixed the record. A lot of our raw tracks were recorded clean and really well. The performances were there. Once he got his hands on the stuff... he did some guitar re-amping and tweaking of the drums. He’s well-known and his stuff is a little heavier, and just by the nature of the material, we figured he’d be a good choice. He was recommended to us. Really, a lot of how it sounds is him bringing it all together.
Maelstrom: Talk about the re-amping. Was that something you did for the first time on Paradise Lost?
Michael Romeo: Yeah. It’s great, but at first... heh. The company Radial sent me a JD7. It’s an all-in-one guitar re-amping thing. It’s one guitar in and up to six amps out. And of course to the computer direct, and the out to six more amps... So, when I first got it, and with six amps hooked up, I was totally goin’ ballistic with the thing and not getting anything done. I would just noodle around; and they’re all so friggin’ loud, you can’t tell one amp from the other. It was hijinks at first. But once I settled down and used it the right way, it was great. So, yeah, it was the first time.
What I did was find some tones that I was cool with on the amp, and also run a line from the JD7 as the direct pick-up, and double up those guitars. That was cool, because when Jens got it, he also did some re-amping on his end and blending of the guitars. I was using an Engl, the Line 6 stuff; a couple songs used a Marshall... I have to say, it’s a great tool to be creative with.
There was times when I was doing guitar stuff at four in the morning, and the wife and kids are upstairs sleepin’; but I can plug into a Line 6 Pod and play my part. Then, the next day, I can crank it through the Marshall and it’s fantastic.
Maelstrom: Now, you’re endorsed by Line 6, right?
Michael Romeo: Yeah.
Maelstrom: They don’t mind that you’re using other amps when you record?
Michael Romeo: I guess I’ll find out! (laugh)
Maelstrom: Ha! What do you have to say about the Line 6 product?
Michael Romeo: In the studio, I do use the Line 6 — it’s on the album all over the place. But with that being said, I’ll pull up a Marshall mod on the Line 6 and tweak it. And people say it’s not tube, and blah blah blah... and yeah, it doesn’t sound exactly like a Marshall; but then I’ll pull up another channel with the real Marshall, and then you’ll have something cool. It’s all about creating something new. There’s no rules about what sounds better, or all that crap. And the Vetta head, live, sounds fantastic. It’s easy to use, it has all the switching possibilities, any kind of effect you could possibly want; it’s one pedalboard with an ethernet cable — there’s no batteries or extra cables. It’s convenient for me.
In the studio, it’s no big deal to layer the Line 6 with a Marshall, or Engl, or Krank. All great amps do their thing.
Maelstrom: Have you got the same line-up as on the past few records?
Michael Romeo: Yeah.
Maelstrom: You’ve got three Mikes in the band. Have you got nicknames for each other?
Michael Romeo: Mike Pinnella (keyboards) has been just “P” forever. From the first week that we met him, our old singer just started calling him “P.” And it stuck; and it’s never been anything else. Then we got Michael LePond (bass) in the band, and he became “LePond”; and I’ve always just been “Mike.”
Maelstrom: I heard Mike LePond had some serious health issue a couple years ago.
Michael Romeo: He’s had this Crohn’s disease, I guess since he was a kid. In the past, it has caused some issues. When it flares up, from my understanding, it’s pretty serious. It’s some sort of an intestinal infection. I’m not an expert on it, but it’s pretty brutal. There were times when we had to cancel stuff. In 2006, we were supposed to go over to Europe and do some festivals. It was acting up again, and he looked really bad. It’s not curable, but there’s a surgery that makes it easy to maintain. Ever since he’s had that, he’s said he’s been fine. We just got back from South America for a couple weeks, and he was fine.
Maelstrom: How come you tour everywhere but the United States? I don’t mean to take Gigantour away from you. But, seriously.
Michael Romeo: When we first got the band together in ‘94, and a deal with the Japanese, metal was still a big thing (in Japan); and they were into players.
Maelstrom: They still are. Marty Friedman’s whole career could just be in Japan, and he’d be fine.
Michael Romeo: Yeah, I know. I heard he’s a TV celebrity, or something? (Laugh) He’s killer, man. But you think back to that time, here in the States, I dunno what was going on. There was the grunge thing, and all this rap was goin’ on. The metal thing was kinda dead. For us, we were happy to see metal still strong in Japan and Europe. Because we lived here, we were kinda bummed out. But in the last five to six years, I’ve been seeing a lot of this stuff coming back. We had Gigantour, and little by little, we’re building it back up. We started in Japan, and [the US] is the last place. It’s kind of a downer when you have to travel a million miles to do your thing.
But I can’t complain. We do pretty well everywhere. And I’m seeing stuff changing. I see a lot of young guys playing guitar, listening to Van Halen; and actually practicing!
Maelstrom: Who is the prog metal band that you guys have to catch?
Michael Romeo: (pause for thought) ...Really none, man. We just kinda do our thing. We’re not trying to compete. We want to get as popular as we can, keep it busy, and try to get some new fans.
Maelstrom: Is that Russell Allen that does all the vocal parts on the intro to “The Divine Wings of Tragedy”?
Michael Romeo: A lot of it is him, but there’s a little bit of me and Pinnella. And I think even Miller, the old bass guy, might be on a part or two. We layered it up. If I remember right, Russ sang all the parts with us as we all took turns. He was keepin’ us all in pitch.
Maelstrom: He’s really developed that gritty singing that he did a lot on The Odyssey and a good amount on the new one, too. I think people don’t realize how hard it is to do that.
Michael Romeo: The thing about Russ is that he is really diverse. Even more important than that, he knows by instinct when there’s a real brutal riff and, right off the bat, he knows how to approach it. Like the verse riff in “Set the World on Fire.” His approach was to still sing it, but to put a little bit of dirt on it; that way it doesn’t sound like growling, but it isn’t totally clean — it matches the music.
Maelstrom: How do you go about writing a 20+ minute song? There aren’t a lot of parts that repeat in those songs.
Michael Romeo: To be honest, sometimes it’s easier to write that than it is to write a four-minute song. With a song where you know it’s gonna be long, you can just start goin’. And wherever you wind up, you don’t have to worry about, “hey, we have to get back to the chorus.” “Hey, let’s get to the guitar solo, so we can get out of it and go here.” With “The Odyssey,” I think some of the lyrics were done first, too. So we had some direction of where the music would go. Yeah, man, you just roll with it. You don’t worry about where it’s gonna go or how long it ends up being. There’s not as much thought going into worrying about if you’re overdoing it.
The hardest part is when you haven’t played it in a while. It’s like, “let’s do ‘The Odyssey,’” and everyone’s scratchin’ their head.
Maelstrom: Do you not all live in the same area?
Michael Romeo: We do.
Maelstrom: You live in Hoboken, is that right?
Michael Romeo: I live a little more south. I’m like in the Red Bank area. It’s a central, suburban area.
Maelstrom: How did you hook up with all these talented guys in central, suburban Jersey?
Michael Romeo: The original bass guy that got it pretty much going with me, Tom Miller, I knew him for years and years. We were always in bands together; doing clubs. We were always friends. When we put this together, we started looking for guys. We stumbled onto Pinnella working at a music store. He was some great keyboard guy that no one knew about in the back of some store. We snagged him.
The original singer, Rod, we knew from another band. And he knew Jason (Rullo, drums). We just kinda all hooked up. Since then, there have been some line-up changes along the way, but for the last couple albums, everthing’s been stable and we get along well now.
Maelstrom: I always see the biggest piece of the puzzle as the singer. And you guys found a guy who can sing metal.
Michael Romeo: Do you want to hear a funny story?
Maelstrom: I want to hear a funny story!
Michael Romeo: I liked Rod. He’s a cool guy. I haven’t seen him in years, but we goofed out and had a good time. But I knew he wasn’t really into what we were doing. So after we did the first record, he was like, “hey, guys, I dunno if I’m gonna do this... But I know another singer! He’s not as good as me, but his name’s Russell and I can give you his phone number...” And that was the end of that. Once we hooked up with Russell, it was like, yeah, ok, dude...
Maelstrom: In my opinion, he’s a *little* better than the first guy.
Michael Romeo: Oh, yeah, dude. I’m not slammin’ Rod, because he is a good guy.
Maelstrom: So what happened to Jason Rullo? There was that one record (Twilight in Olympus) where he was on hiatus. But then he came back for the next album. The guy that replaced him was totally awesome, though. Did Jason get kicked out for an album?
Michael Romeo: No, no, no. He didn’t get kicked out. I think he was having some personal issues. He had some friction with the original bass player, Tom. Tom’s a little like me: kind of demanding 100%; but he was a little more rough around the edges about expressing that. And we were around each other, writing all the time. So [Jason] felt he had to cut out for a little bit and get his life together. It was cool and I understood.
We hooked up with Tom Walling (the drummer on Twilight in Olympus), who Mike Pinnella knew from high school. He was great: came in and banged out the songs. But then, when we were setting up a tour, someone in his family had real big health issues, and he couldn’t leave. As fate would have it, Jason called us a week later, just to see what was going on, and he came back.
Maelstrom: So there are touring plans for the United States.
Michael Romeo: Yes! We start the tour like in a week and a half.
Maelstrom: What guitar do you play?
Michael Romeo: I’ve got a couple laying around. For a while, I was using an ESP. They’re really good, but some of the necks were too wide for my hands. I used to play this Kramer guitar. It had a cool neck; it was just the right size; and it had a maple finger board. I played it for God knows how many years, and I was so used to it. So ESP came along and said they’d send some guitars. They played great, but I was so used to the Kramer.
Anyway, some friends of mine in Evergrey had Caparison guitars. They played really great, and he told me to get in touch with them, because they’d love to have me. I told them about my Kramer, and they told me to send the neck and whatever else, and they’d build me a guitar. So I sent them the Kramer neck and a Fender Strat neck, and then made me a hybrid, and sent me some guitars. For me, it’s perfect, because it’s like the guitar I used when I was learning how to play.
Maelstrom: And you didn’t want to stick with that because you wanted new stuff?
Michael Romeo: ........ (whispers) yeah.
Symphony X is, from left to right: Michael Romeo (guitar), Jason Rullo (drums), Michael Pinnella (keyboards). Michael LePond (bass), Russell Allen (vocals).
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