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interview by: Roberto Martinelli
Although Dimmu Borgir has been one of the biggest names in melodic, symphonic black metal for years now, their biggest break into the American market came with 2003's Death Cult Armageddon, which sold more than 200,000 copies.
As has been the case with the Norwegian bands’ biggest productions, the job was handled by cream-of-the-crop Swedish producer Fredrik Nordström (Arch Enemy, In Flames), who’s as influential on the popular metal scene in the United States from his work with At the Gates’ Slaughter of the Soul as the Swedish five-piece’s actual performance.
Nordström told us last year about the challenges of recording a live orchestra. We wanted to see what new tricks the old dog had gleaned since that time with the recording of Dimmu Borgir's In Sorte Diaboli.
Maelstrom: I heard you moved your studio. What happened?
Fredrik Nordström: There was a lot of different stuff, actually. We always had the problem that people couldn’t sleep in the studio. There was a big fire in the area 10 years ago, and since then, you’re not allowed to sleep in industrial areas. Parking cars was also a big, big problem. Also, I moved with my family from Gothenburg. Patrick, the guy I work with, moved too. Also, it was very expensive to run the studio where it was.
Maelstrom: Last time I spoke to you, you talked about the lessons you had learned in mixing orchestras, and particularly mixing horns. Could you talk about mixing the orchestra on the latest Dimmu Borgir record, as it sounds like, as usual, there is an orchestra present.
Fredrik Nordström: We didn’t use any orchestra on the new Dimmu. Øyvind, the keyboard player, he worked day and night for four weeks on GigaStudio to do the “orchestra.” So we had everything on separate tracks, and it was absolutely easier to mix. I think he did an awesome job.
Some strings he used from Giga Studio. Some strings he used from East West library… he had like three or four different sample players going on at the same time. It was all connected through a PC computer.
Maelstrom: Why was it easier to mix?
Fredrik Nordström: Because all the tracks were separated. When you record an orchestra, you have 80 people in a room, and five basic microphones. Three of them are omni-directional, and then one mic on the left and one on the right. This is very standard. The problem when you mix something like this is you can only raise the volume of instruments — you can never lower it, because everything is in these five microphones. If the cello is too low, you can raise it; but if it’s too high, you can’t take it away.
For example, the horns are fucking loud! That was the problem when I came home from Prague [with the tracks from the philharmonic] after recording the previous [Dimmu Borgir] album, Death Cult Armageddon, I said that the next time we record an orchestra, we need to record the horns separately.
Maelstrom: But Death Cult came out fine. What did you do to compensate for those horns?
Fredrik Nordström: We raised up the strings and used quite a lot of compression.
Maelstrom: But if you think of classical recordings that feature horns… they sound ok. How is it those recordings don’t have problems?
Fredrik Nordström: I don’t know, but classical music is very dynamic. What you want from horns on a heavy metal record is very heavy and hard playing, so that your ears fall off. I think the arrangement on the intro to Death Cult, “Progenies,” is a very good arrangement. I got goose bumps when I recorded it.
Maelstrom: But you can tell the difference between Giga Studio and the real thing.
Fredrik Nordström: I can. But if I didn’t know anything, I might not be able to. It was a very big challenge for Øyvind (Muustis). He was a little sad when I told him it was awesome, but it doesn’t totally sound like the real thing.
We’ve changed our gear in the studio. Last time I spoke with you, I was using Pro Tools with a tape recorder, and I was mixing analog on console. We upgraded to the latest Pro Tools, and today I don’t have a console, a rack, or any outboard. We have Digidesign microphone pre-amplifiers in and out; I have an Icon, and a G5 processor blablabla computer. And I have two outboard compressors. That’s it.
Maelstrom: Why did you upgrade? So many of your greatest triumphs were done on analog.
Fredrik Nordström: Or downgrade, I don’t know. Hahaha. Maybe 70 percent of my work is mixing. So if I do a mix and the client comes back and says the bass drum is too loud on a part, it was impossible to change with analog. With analog, when we did a mix, we’d normally do it from Monday to Friday. We told the people in the band that if there were any changes to be made, to have a list by 8 o’clock Monday morning, or everything is set in stone. But now, I can open the digital session and adjust anything.
Maelstrom: You said in a quick breath just now that you might have “downgraded” to all digital Pro Tools. What did you mean?
Fredrik Nordström: Hahaha! Well, if you take the SSL consoles and all the tape decks… all this analog equipment has been developed since the ‘50s. It kept getting better and better. It’s the same with digital; but digital is much younger. Every generation of Pro Tools is better. So the next generation will also be better. So on one hand I feel I’ve upgraded; but on the other hand I feel I’ve downgraded.
Maelstrom: If someone came in and wanted an analog recording, could you do it?
Fredrik Nordström: No. I sold all my gear. I definitely didn’t need my outboard gear anymore. I sold so much stuff. I needed money to buy the D Command, the extremely big remote control for Pro Tools. It actually makes the interface much more analog. I don’t use the mouse; I use this control surface instead. That’s good, because I get mouse arm.
Maelstrom: My editor wants to know every detail of your computer.
Fredrik Nordström: It’s silver. Hahah! Who fucking cares? Heh, ok, well, it’s a Power Mac G5 with quad 2.5 gigaHz processors with 2.5 gigabytes of RAM. I have a hard drive called Raptor or something like that. It has only 74 gigabytes of memory, but it’s very fast, which is very important to have when you’re recording. People buy exclusive stuff. I’m very satisfied with the computer. It’s a PC Express three-slot.
Maelstrom: How has this all changed your life?
Fredrik Nordström: In many ways, it’s good: I don’t have problems to mix. If I find two weeks after that the vocals in a song are too low, I can fix it in 20 minutes. In the beginning, it was hard to get a good feel on the mix, because I had to use the mouse all the time. But Icon helped a lot.
Maybe, maybe Pro Tools sounds too good. (Chuckle) It’s really, really good sound... but if you need dirt... sometimes you get the feeling that you have to go over the river.
Maelstrom: How would you get the dirt? (The new Dimmu doesn’t sound dirty to me.)
Fredrik Nordström: I’d use plug-ins to take down the sound quality.
Maelstrom: Which ones?
Fredrik Nordström: Pro Tools’ signal is very straight and clear. I used the Lo-Fi plug-in. It comes along with Pro Tools. For vocals, we used a lot of Sans Amp (the guitar amplifier simulator). We also used something called Phoenix, I think. It’s some kind of tape emulator. When I first got Pro Tools, I went down at night after recording a band, and sat four to five hours, trying out all the plug-ins on every instrument.
(Even if I don’t like the company) Waves has made a very nice EQ. It’s a simulation of the SSL G and E console. It’s not exactly the same, I can tell you that, but it’s very “analog.” When you tweak the treble, it sounds like it’s hard, ‘80s, icy sound. Pro Tools has its own sound and its own EQ, called EQ3. It’s a very good EQ, but it sounds very nice. This SSL EQ is not especially nice. Hahaha!
Maelstrom: Why don’t you like the company Waves?
Fredrik Nordström: They come up with some bullshit about an upkeep plan that costs $350 a year just to keep my plug-in. Also, they don’t totally support my D Command, which has the EQ that I use. They told me they didn’t support it. I asked again, and they told me I had to get the upgrade plan. And I had just bought it! I paid $1,500 for an EQ plug-in, and then I’m told I have to pay $350 a year to get it to work with my D Command. I’ve heard it several times from colleagues. I think (Waves) are greedy. But they make excellent products.
Maelstrom: I believe you’ve said you like Engl guitar amps. Did you use those to record In Sorte Diaboli?
Fredrik Nordström: We used two Engl heads... a new version called Special Edition. We put up the head with an Engl cabinet, and we slaved the pre-amp signal from the Special Edition to my Savage 120. Then, we put up a Marshall cabinet up and recorded both. We miked it as I always do: one SM57 straight forward, and one SM57 at a 45 degree angle.
Maelstrom: What do you find is really good about that set-up?
Fredrik Nordström: Of all the microphones I have in the studio, this sounds best. It gives very good flexibility when you have the microphone straight forward in the speaker. Old-fashioned audio engineers shake their heads when they see it. They think it’s totally wrong.
Maelstrom: When you say “straight forward,” how close is it?
Fredrik Nordström: It’s very close to the grill.
Maelstrom: How many centimeters, would you say?
Fredrik Nordström: …a dick’s length?
Maelstrom: Whose dick?
Fredrik Nordström: Depending on… hahaha! From the grill, maybe like 1.5cm. An average Japanese length. The one that’s at 45 degrees is also almost to the grill.
I used the faders to blend the sound. The microphone that’s 45 degrees to the speaker gets a very dark sound, and the other one is very bright. So I mix them together.
We also used a Roland GP8 as a guitar pre-amp. The two guitarists do two tracks each.
Maelstrom: What did you do for the bass guitar?
Fredrik Nordström: This was very simple. We used a Warwick bass, a line box, and a sound sample plug-in. It’s one track of bass.
Maelstrom: What DI box did you use?
Fredrik Nordström: DSS. It’s the only DI box I have. I stole it when I was young. I’ve had it for 20 years. It’s a very, very good one. We also use the Digidesign mic pre-amps. With that system, we have 16 line-ins.
Maelstrom: How about the drums?
Fredrik Nordström: Hihi!
Maelstrom: Yeah, this is going to be the biggest thing.
Fredrik Nordström: [Hellhammer] has a shitload of drums.
Maelstrom: I know. Doesn’t that cause phasing problems?
Fredrik Nordström: Not really. We put four microphones on overhead, and we put the microphones very close to the drum skins. We used triggers and a lot of noise gates. There were no direct phasing problems. The only issue is that the roof in the room we use right now is very low, so there’s a peak of 3kHz, which we had to reduce.
We recorded trigger signals on all the drums. He’s got double bass drums, six toms, two snare drums, and about a million cymbals. We recorded an acoustic kit, but we recorded with triggers, and used the trigger signal to sound replace. Since he plays so fast, it’s impossible to hit hard. It’s the same situation with Nick Barker (Dimmu’s previous drummer). We did the same with him.
Maelstrom: What triggers, replacement program, and module did you use?
Fredrik Nordström: We used the DDrum and Roland triggers. We didn’t use a module. We recorded the signal and replaced with Sound Replacer. Nowadays we use something called TL Drum Rehab.
Maelstrom: So you’re just recording a bunch of clicks and replacing those?
Fredrik Nordström: Yes.
Maelstrom: If you listen to the tracks of those click signals, will they all sound the same?
Fredrik Nordström: Almost. You can actually hear the difference between toms and snares, but it’s very short and precise. You can attach any replacement program after that and easily replace those signals. Of course you can use Sound Replacer on acoustic drum [hits], but it’s more tricky.
Maelstrom: Yes. Sometimes the program interprets hits from other instruments in the recording as notes to replace.
Fredrik Nordström: If you don’t EQ too much when you record, it should be no problem.
Maelstrom: Double triggering is an issue that you fix by adjusting the sensitivity on your module. But if you don’t have a module, how can you adjust the sensitivity?
Fredrik Nordström: You have some kind of sensitivity in the plug-ins. It works the same way. Also, you always try to record acoustic sound as well. If you can mix in acoustic sound, you can achieve the right human feel. That’s very important. I’ve heard so many examples of only triggered drums… and I did one myself, (Dimmu Borgir’s Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia), and it sounds fucking fake, especially when played fast.
There are a lot of drum plug-ins that you have today that sound really good, but you need to know how to handle them. Like, if you have a great sample library of strings, you need to know how strings are played.
I’ve heard people using my S-1000 Akai sampler from ten years ago that I couldn’t get to sound right. But with the right knowledge, they got it to sound great with horns and trombones, because they know how those instruments work.
Maelstrom: I would imagine that even if you had lots of double triggers, having the acoustic track there as well as a guide would easily tell you what trigger signals to mute.
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah. The trigger track is a complement to the acoustic sound. For example, if you record an acoustic drum set, and you feel there is not enough bottom end to the snare drum, put up the trigger mics and find a [sample] of a snare drum that sounds good. The problem you have if you want more low-end in the snare drum and you raise the bass, you get shit. It’s much better to have another sound with the low-end built in.
Just today, we recorded a snare with a short, attack-y note. We were missing the ringing tone from the snare drum. There was the “pah!”, but no ambience. So we found a sample that had little attack but lots of ring, and layered it under the acoustic snare, and suddenly we get a very live snare drum. Even though it’s a trigger, the trigger with the acoustic sound made it sound more acoustic.
Maelstrom: What was the ratio of sample to acoustic recording on the drums in Dimmu Borgir’s In Sorte Diaboli?
Fredrik Nordström: There is a lot of sample in Dimmu Borgir. Maybe like 80/20 in favor of the triggers.
But I was not satisfied with the drums. So I pushed Patrick to do a third track for the snare drum. We ended having 30 tracks of drums. I also miked the drums, because I like to have some acoustic sound in there somewhere, so you get some sort of human feeling.
Maelstrom: What did you dislike about the snare?
Fredrik Nordström: You can have a very good drum sound with Pro Tools, but then when you bring up the rest of the band, all the details disappear — especially with the snare drum. So we had that third track to bring in some more tone. Still, I’m not satisfied.
Maelstrom: What mics did you use to record the drums?
Fredrik Nordström: For overhead, I used two Neumann KM1s, and two Shure KSM141s. They’re rather new mics and sounded great. For snare I used a Sanken CU31. For toms, we used Shure’s SM56. All the instrument mics were placed as close as possible. The overheads were maybe 50cm away from the cymbals. Like I said, the ceiling is quite low in the recording room. Also, [Hellhammer] tightens his cymbals quite hard so they move as little as possible. This is because if he wants to hit the cymbal twice very fast, he won’t have a chance to miss it. He hits everything quite soft. We did record the kick drums with acoustic mics, but then we realized since we were going to replace the kicks 100 percent, we didn’t use the acoustic tracks at all.
Maelstrom: Did you replace the cymbals, too?
Fredrik Nordström: No, no. He played everything live, but we replaced the drums and he added a few little parts later.
Maelstrom: Did you also mix the Stormblåst re-issue?
Fredrik Nordström: No, I did not.
Maelstrom: Have you heard it?
Fredrik Nordström: I heard one song, yes.
Maelstrom: What did you think of the drums on that production?
Fredrik Nordström: With Dimmu Borgir, I’m satisfied with the drums... except the snare drum. The rest of the drums sound good. But this is a matter of taste.
But for Stormblåst, I didn’t reflect on the drums, I reflected on the guitar sound. Sorry to say, but I think it’s bad. It sounds like they used a distortion pedal lined directly into the console
Maelstrom: What would you have done differently?
Fredrik Nordström: Hehehe. I would have put up a guitar amplifier with proper mics. The one song I heard one time made me think the guitars were recorded direct. But I know the band is happy with the guitar sound, so….
Maelstrom: How did you record the keyboards?
Fredrik Nordström: Normally, with keyboards, I use a DI box.
Maelstrom: What’s the advantage of using a DI box with keyboards over miking a cabinet?
Fredrik Nordström: [With the DI], You get the sound that is coming from the keyboard. There are very few keyboard parts on In Sorte Diaboli. I think of the keyboard as a full-range instrument, so if you run it through a guitar cabinet, you’re not going to get the same sound as if you go direct from the keyboard. You might get a fuller sound, but that isn’t what fits with a band like Dimmu Borgir. It’d be a lot more appropriate with a band like Spiritual Beggars, who play a kind of stoner rock.
But this time, as we were working with samples, and Øyvind was in another part of the studio (there isn’t much keyboard on this album; it’s mostly “orchestral” stuff), he bounced each “instrument” down to a track, and sent them by wireless network. It went from one computer to another computer.
I tried to think and do the same as a real orchestra would: keeping in mind where people sit in an orchestra. For instance, the horn players sit farther back, so I put more reverb on those sections to make them sound farther away. The tympani is to the left, so I panned it that way. I then put a master compressor all over this “orchestra.”
Maelstrom: How did you record the vocals?
Fredrik Nordström: It was very similar to the previous album. Stian’s quite fast with vocals. He had ideas where to put effects, and so on. We do the takes, and then sit down and manipulate them. It’s typical Dimmu stuff: we do two-three takes, and then put parts where there should be distortion, and so on.
Maelstrom: What effects did you use on the vocals and where?
Fredrik Nordström: We used distortion, flanger, chorus, pitch-shifting… but for the main vocals, we used mainly reverb from Revibe and Echo from Sound Toys. That’s a good one, but you have some bugs. For the effects vocals that appear in every song at least two or three times, we used Sound Toys, Pitch Blender, Amp Farm, Lo-Fi…
Maelstrom: But you have two vocalists in the band. The bass player does clean, back-up stuff. Do you approach those two differently?
Fredrik Nordström: This time, Simen was very well prepared. Last time, he wasn’t, but this time he was very professional. But Dimmu Borgir is Dimmu Borgir: they’re crazy people from Norway. Hahahaha.
Maelstrom: What mic and pre-amp combination did you use on vocals?
Fredrik Nordström: For this one we used my AMA Angela. It’s an awesome console, by the way. There are some built-in compressors that are like the AMEC consoles. There are some compressors in there — I think they’re called TL01, or something — that are really, really great, but they’re not part of the original console. Somebody installed them in the ‘80s, from the BBC, where I bought it. For the microphone, we used an SM7 — the Metallica microphone. For Simen, we used a Neumann U67 on a stand.
Maelstrom: What instruments did you mix first, and so on?
Fredrik Nordström: Drums first, then bass, then guitars. I try to put them together, and I get confused. Hahaha! Then I go back to the drums… When I start out, I’m playing the music really, really loud. When you work with me, you’ll know you’re getting closer to the end as the volume goes down. Sometimes when I get home, my ears will be ringing.
Maelstrom: Isn’t that bad for your career?
Fredrik Nordström: Yes, of course. I listen to the music very loud only when I’m mixing. I really want to hear everything that’s going on. I’ve had several times when the band left the studio because it was too loud in there. And by the second day it’s ok for them to come in again.
Maelstrom: Fredrik, how much of a producer’s hat did you wear for this record?
Fredrik Nordström: I think quite much. In many ways, I pushed the band to be prepared and professional. We recorded this album during six weeks, and that’s very short for a complex album like Dimmu Borgir’s.
Maelstrom: What takes the most time in that process?
Fredrik Nordström: Drums, especially with this kind of music, always take a long time. Hellhammer did about two songs a day. You have to spend time on the drums, especially with complicated drumming, to make sure all the takes are correct, and not find mistakes when it’s time to do the guitars.
I had some input for musical ideas, ideas for keyboards — cutting and grouping... They may have done the rhythm guitars in one and a half days. They were very well prepared.
Maelstrom: What musical ideas did you have?
Fredrik Nordström: “Dimmu Borgir.” Hahaha! Seriously, it’s about making a good Dimmu Borgir album. I read an interview one time with the producer of Van Halen. I don’t know his name, but he also produced Aerosmith (Bruce Fairbairn? – Roberto). He was asked, “First you do Van Halen, then you do Aerosmith…and they sound so different.” And his answer was, “My work isn’t to make my sound. My work is to make the band sound good.” That was something that went to my heart. When you work with a band, the main thing is to make the band sound good. Don’t bring your own shit in there. If I work with Dimmu Borgir, it sounds appropriate. If the next day I work with Spiritual Beggars, then it’ll sound like a stoner record. We’ll change gear to fit the band — not the opposite.
A producer or a sound engineer is nothing without a band with good songs. You can add the best sound or whatever, but it doesn’t matter without good songs. I think my work is over-estimated. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the band Manowar, but on their first three albums, the sound is terrible, but the songs are awesome. And after that, it’s shit, but with good sound. Well, some of the stuff is ok, but the really, really good stuff is on the first three albums, but when you hear the sound, you’re like, “whoa! Come on!” the sound is so bad.
Maelstrom: So I’m guessing you prefer to listen to the first three albums.
Fredrik Nordström: Huhu…I’d prefer to not listen at all!
Maelstrom: Hey? So you don’t like Manowar after all?
Fredrik Nordström: Well, I don’t like to listen to music.
Maelstrom: You don’t like to listen to music?
Fredrik Nordström: I like to listen to music if it’s very interesting music. I sit with [music] all day long. In my home, I didn’t connect my stereo until a year and a half after I moved there, and then only because we were going to have a party. I listen to music all day and there aren’t really any exciting CDs for me to listen to at home. In fact, my kids listen to my albums around the house, and it’s very annoying, I promise you.
Maelstrom: They listen to albums you recorded, or…
Fredrik Nordström: No. Dream Evil. All day long. All of [the kids]. From two years to 15 years.
Maelstrom: That’s sweet, though! I think that’s awesome.
Fredrik Nordström: My oldest son rides motocross. All my kids do, by the way. When we go into the garage to repair some stuff, I tell him, “hey, bring on a good CD!” and fuck, he puts on Dream Evil. And I’m like, “fuck, come on! At least put on Iron Maiden!” “Yeah! After this one!”
Maelstrom: Fredrik, do you write any of the material for Dream Evil?
Fredrik Nordström: Depending on the album, 30-40%.
Maelstrom: Do you feel you can have an excited music writing process considering…
Fredrik Nordström: Absolutely! I know this is contradictory, but I really love music… (sigh) when you sit with music all day long, you don’t want to go home and listen to music. If you’re a house painter, you don’t want to go home and start painting your own house. I don’t want to listen to music in my free time. I love listening to music that musicians who come to the studio bring me. I’ve had some really good musical experiences, like with Mike from Opeth. He has a very exclusive music taste. What he puts on for me gets me very inspired. It’s absolutely not metal music. He never listens to that; he listens to music from Arabia, or Chechnya.
I’m crazy. You hear that?
Maelstrom: Well, I’ve heard for years that you’re crazy, so it’s not news.
Fredrik Nordström: Thank you. (laugh)
Maelstrom: What do you mean when you said you pushed the band to be more professional?
Fredrik Nordström: We were short on time, so we couldn’t figure out in the studio what someone should sing. They normally don’t need much help with the arrangements. But the singer likes to find out what he’s going to sing during the recording itself. If you want to change something, you change it then, that’s normal; but you don’t show up at a recording studio not knowing what to do. So Stian likes to experiment. It takes a couple extra days. It’s not such a big thing, but we didn’t have those extra days. Simen came very well prepared and played awesome bass. He was double as good as the previous album.
Maelstrom: Did you apply any other new tricks in mixing this album?
Fredrik Nordström: Not really. I don’t want to say it was straight-forward, because many of the songs were 80 tracks, but that’s normal for Dimmu Borgir. I think the most we had in this session was 92 tracks.
Maelstrom: Where do all the tracks come from? You said 30 with drums, eight with guitars, one with bass...
Fredrik Nordström: There’s lead guitars, maybe eight tracks of vocals... then you had the “orchestra.” When you have an actual orchestra, you normally have 24 tracks.
Maelstrom: Did Hellhammer record to a scratch track or to a metronome?
Fredrik Nordström: He had a scratch track of guide guitar pre-recorded.
Maelstrom: I know you don’t do mastering, can you comment on the mastering job?
Fredrik Nordström: I bought some mastering plug-ins. I have the TC Electronic MD3. It’s an awesome plug-in. Although I don’t do mastering, I tried to put the mix as high as possible, and give as little space as possible for the mastering studio.
Maelstrom: What’s awesome about the TC Electronic MD3?
Fredrik Nordström: Well, I’ve never tried it with analog gear… but if you sit with a mix; and you do everything you can… and you still feel like you can’t get the shit together… you turn this unit on, and it sounds better — directly. I remember we first discovered that when we were fooling around with a tape emulation program. We put the settings on the tape emulator, and with the MD3, we got all the instruments to fit in the mix that didn’t fit before. It’s like magic. You can also bring up the volume really, really loud, so that the meter is standing on “0” almost all the time, and it sounds good, and the mastering guys call you up and ask for you to please lower the volume…which is good. If you almost do a mastering of your mix, then you’re not going to get surprises (laugh) when you get your album back from the mastering house.
Yeah, some mastering studios have "arty" ideas… we have received CDs after mastering, put them in the player, and were like, “what?!?! Did we do this?” And we go back to the original DAT tape and, no it sounds good, but the [master] is CRAP! So you call up the record label: “What did you do?” “Oh, we think that blablabla…” And again, that’s what I like with Pro Tools: If somebody’s not satisfied, you can always bring up the session, patch it up, and send it back by digital delivery, and see if they like it better. And it takes you two hours to change the whole mix. Awesome.
Maelstrom: Records are always getting louder as limiters are getting more powerful. However, many of these very loud records sound terrible when you turn them up. How do you feel about this trend?
Fredrik Nordström: We used quite much of the limited in the MD3. I tried to get it as close to the zero decibel level as possible, that way I know what’s happening. We have received masters where they have compressed and limited it so much that the drums disappear. And that’s very boring. We use the Taylor Maid mastering house, who tells me that the levels on my files source are too high to master. But I tell him that’s how it’s got to be. And he brings the levels up even more. I don’t know how he does it, but he does. And it still sounds good and dynamic.
Maelstrom: We’ve talked about how it seems that your favorite records are in seemingly direct conflict with the kind of music you’re working on in terms of production. What do you think about this louder and louder business?
Fredrik Nordström: Haha! It’s a competition. Who in heavy metal can do the loudest album. It’s like Manowar bragging that they’re the loudest band in the world.
Maelstrom: You can just turn it up yourself, you know.
Fredrik Nordström: I don’t know what to say about that, but it’s boring to listen to an entire album on a low level. I talked to the guy at Mastering Room, and told him I don’t like [this trend]. He said he didn’t like it, either, but it’s what the record labels demand.
Maelstrom: Thanks for the chat. It was fun and I learned a lot, especially about that information about not having to use a drum module. I’m writing an article about recording electronic drums at home for use in a studio album, and it’ll be very pertinent information for that purpose.
Fredrik Nordström: What are you using for cymbals?
Maelstrom: Electronic cymbals.
Fredrik Nordström: Eh…
Maelstrom: Yeah, I know. But the focus is to save money by recording at home and then going into the studio for “magic.”
Fredrik Nordström: Yeah, people do that. Italian and Greek people are very good at this. It actually takes them longer than with acoustic drums, but they get a very good sound.
Maelstrom: Good night. Take care.
Fredrik Nordström: Good night.
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