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interview by: Mladen Škot
It would take a miracle (an alien intervention, mass genocide or something weird concerning the Mayan prophecies for 2012) to raise the average IQ on Earth by about 40 points. Should it happen, though, Noneuclid would become a big thing straight away. They have everything a band should have to take metal to the next level. Why metal? Consider this:
“Art is the last truly free domain of our civilization, and metal in all its forms has always been the living proof of the otherwise rapidly dwindling freedom of creation and expression. It is a catalyst of man‘s darkest psychic abysses, and an irreplaceable tool to transform socially incompatible and destructive impulses into exclusive and exquisite celebrations of pure adrenaline and endorphine in congregations of kindred spirits. This unique cultural heritage is regularly endangered in a society of totalitarian spiritual mindfuck and boundless stupidity.”
You also might ask, why Noneuclid? When is the last time you heard an insanely technically proficient band say something like this:
“We are honoured to get credit for having our own style from the beginning, but the music is not at all about complexity or bizarreness. We all worked our asses off to learn our instruments (and still do so every day), and we simply use the tools available to us as best we can to create something powerful and overwhelming.”
All good, well said, yet, what makes Noneuclid stand above any other metal band trying to do something new? Here’s a glimpse at main man Morean’s biography:
“After having grown up in the same thrash metal basement as his fellow bandmembers from the Bavarian province, moved to the Netherlands in ‘94 to study flamenco guitar with Paco Peña at the conservatory of Rotterdam. In 2001, he graduated cum laude in classical composition at the same school, after which he found himself unexpectedly infected with a blooming career as a contemporary composer.
His works earned him international composition prizes and nominations, broad media exposure, world-wide performances with distinguished international orchestras, ensembles and soloists in concerts and on renowned festivals (a.o. Tanglewood, Gaudeamus, Moscow Autumn, November Music, Filmfestivals of Cannes and Rotterdam). His oeuvre comprises symphonic music, concertos, chamber music, electronics, film scores, dance and multimedia productions as well as world music / crossover projects. “
You definitely don’t hear anything like this, well… ever. And that’s even before you hear the music itself. So, if you are still with us, after the lengthy introduction, we recommend you to visit http://www.noneuclid.com, read a whole lot more and listen to some samples. We did, and we loved The Crawling Chaos, but still there were a few things we wanted to know. Morean, the guitarist and composer in Noneuclid, and also the new singer of Dark Fortress, has been kind enough to answer everything we had to ask through e-mail.
Maelstrom: First, congratulations on finally releasing The Crawling Chaos. I understood that it was finished in 2006. Why did it take so long to release? It is easily one of my albums of the year, unique and devastating. I would have thought that labels would snatch you straight away.
Morean: Thanks a lot! This is very nice to hear. Actually, this album was the first thing we did as a band, from a standing start, back in 2004. I've spent the last 13 years as a composer of contemporary classical music, and in my naïveness I thought, why not make a straight metal album since I'm a metalhead by origin. The next two years were spent looking for a label; turns out what was fairly straight and pure metal for us was way too bizarre for the labels. At the end, Volker of Merciless Records was the only one willing to take the risk and sign us. Unfortunately, he was fighting with some difficulties himself, which is why the album came out only now. We hail him for that, since only now we can truly say "we exist."
Maelstrom: The press material said it was recorded “on a nonexistent budget”... yet with so many elements in it, and various contributions from other musicians, it's hard to believe. What was the recording procedure like, what elements came first? Were only the basic instruments recorded in Schallzeit studio?
Morean: None of us are rich enough to finance a "real" studio production, so we had to be creative and make do with what was available. The drums and vocals were recorded at Schallzeit in a week (while I was still finishing the songs). I recorded my guitars and the bass in a single night in my dad's basement, using a Pod and a shitty guitar. V Santura recorded his guitars on his own, and the string and choir samples come from a piece I wrote in 2002, on the lyrics of Andrew Hughes, which were the first things that was finished (see below). "Xenoglossy" was an addition constructed on my laptop with the samples that were left, since I felt something was missing there. In some way, the album was produced like a demo — luckily we have V Santura on the buttons, which is why it still sounds like a real album, hehe!
We're in the process of completing our second album, where we had much better equipment, more time and overall better conditions (though still no money). We are completely independent of studios now, also with Dark Fortress. When the second album comes out, everyone will hear the difference, I guarantee that!
Maelstrom: Did you know straight away who you wanted as guests, and what would they do? Where there some limitations or last-minute additions? Is there anything you wanted to have on the album but it didn't happen?
Morean: When I wrote the choir and string piece I mentioned, I wrote it with our future album in mind. Since we couldn't afford to hire anyone, I had to use my possibilities as a composer. Since I own all rights to my work, I can do what I want with my pieces, so we used some of it. I always prefer to use real instruments instead of synthetic sounds, because the sounds stay alive even after many times of hearing the CD. It would be a lot easier to compose the songs and then think about what additional instruments would fit, but as I said, we couldn't do that.
If you ask me, I'd like a full orchestra at our disposal. Ironically, I'm writing for the Dutch Metropole Orchestra in combination with Noneuclid right now, for a once-in-a-lifetime-concert in Amsterdam in the fall. It's funny, the way dreams come true bizarrely and unexpectedly!
This orchestra-and-death metal band-piece, which will be about half an hour long, will end up on the third album, I guess...
Maelstrom: The writing took place, and the recording started in 2004, but the lyrics were written in 2002. When exactly was Noneuclid born?
Morean: I had the idea to form a band with these people in a cover concert we played for fun at Christmas 2001. We played Emperor's "The Loss and Curse of Reverence" and a lot of Slayer, and I thought this line-up was too good not to do something original with it. I told this to my friend Andrew Hughes in the summer of 2002, and he spat out what would become the lyrics to the album three days later. Unfortunately, due to our busy schedules, it took two more years before we could find the time to bring the band to life.
Maelstrom: Who is Andrew Hughes, how did you meet him, and how did it happen that he has written the lyrics? Is he also into metal or you have met him in connection with some of your other work?
Morean: I got two scholarships for the Tanglewood Music Center, the prestigious summer school of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, where Andrew was on the dormitory staff. Since he was the only other metal guy there, we clicked instantly and had a first very satisfying collaboration on a piece called "Transcarnation," a sort of predecessor to Noneuclid. Unfortunately I've lost touch, but we did four projects together that we were very happy with. I didn't feel I could write good enough lyrics then and was happy to collaborate with a real poet; now I no longer have these inhibitions and write lyrics for both Noneuclid and Dark Fortress. Good or bad as they be, I think they serve the purpose. It's also easier to write songs if you can tailor the lyrics exactly to what you need, so I'm not unhappy about this development. I may not be a poet, but I do feel I have something to say.
Maelstrom: What is your personal view on the lyrics? Are you into science fiction, and do you see the concept behind The Crawling Chaos as a final, state-of-the-art, grand expression of misanthropy? How important are the lyrics to you? Personally, I love to see an album elaborated on all levels, which is the case with The Crawling Chaos.
Morean: Thanks again! The lyrics are important to me, because I have a hard time enjoying good music with shitty lyrics. We create worlds, and the words have to be right. I've always been somewhat of an escapist, so both the occult and science fiction have influenced me a lot. I like the non-human outlook on the big picture, and I think we as humans are way less important than we believe ourselves to be. I like excessive visions of cosmic catastrophes as well as alternative realities, and as artists we have the unique possibility to offer alternatives to our world — to open doors into the unknown, as it were. Our minds and our universe are way larger and mysterious than we are prepared to accept in daily life, and I draw a lot of my inspiration from that fact.
Maelstrom: Regarding cosmos, are you at all familiar with the Zero Point Energy Field theories?
Morean: Not really... I took a look on Wikipedia just now and it sounds like an interesting departure point for wild cosmology. I must admit that I suck at maths, at least enough to only be able to look at science from a mere philosophical point of view. It inspires me, though.
Maelstrom: The best thing about The Crawling Chaos is that all the apparently non-metal parts always end up sounding like metal. Some other bands would just stop blasting away and do a nice clean jazz part, and lose the feeling, but with Noneuclid it's always metal on adrenalin. What do you think about the other side, bands who try to be progressive but lose the metal feeling?
Morean: This has become a sort of fundamental question in metal. I often wonder, with all these bands and all this history around, what one can still do in metal that hasn't been done and stay pure. When one opens the doors for fusion, the possibilities are endless, but for every non-metal element you incorporate, the result becomes less metal. The masters in this are Opeth, I find, and I love their unique and excellent mix. But well, they're only half-metal. Metal is a very rigid genre with very strict rules that are difficult to combine with other things without losing the essence of heaviness and power — musically, but also sound-wise. I think the last Mayhem album, arguable as it might be, offers some very interesting approach to creativity within metal. Besides that, in my opinion, Meshuggah are the last band that actually did anything new in metal.
I've been working a lot in classical music and different world music styles, and I've tried all kinds of combination with metal. But the effect is always the same: if it's metal combined with flamenco, for example, the flamenco crowd says it's metal, and the metal crowd says it's flamenco. With The Crawling Chaos, we found out that you get the same effect within metal, if you combine death, thrash, progressive and black freely. One step outside your drawer and you're doomed. (People are so close-minded nowadays!) I got tired of that, and I learned also that if you combine different genres you have to be a master in all of them if you don't want to get a lukewarm compromise.
Laberinto and Puya are two bands that combine(d) metal with Latin, and they did it very well, but well, when they play metal, it's "just" metal. I personally love these Frankensteined styles, because you increase the musical possibilities exponentially, but if metal is to continue evolving, I'm afraid mere combinations with other styles will not be enough.
Maelstrom: You describe the chorus of “Void Bitch” as reggae: It's heavy and persuasive but I see what you mean — was that on purpose? And, is there a music genre that, you think, shouldn't mix with metal?
Morean: Well, the term "reggae" was more of a joke, really, because our singer hates reggae so much. I wrote the song in one night, and I didn't have much time to think. I just felt that we need a melodic part there to contrast the rest of the song. It was only after we played it that we realized if zombies played reggae, this is probably what it would sound like... but it is not our intention to make that our trademark, so no worries there.
I personally hate bad hip-hop and cheap pop much more, as well as punk. But hey, Slayer, one of my biggest influences, describe their music as a mix of metal and punk, so I really can't complain about that. I guess it always depends on who does it. Every genre knows its 1% of masters and 99% of shit, and every kind of music is potentially wonderful, with the possible exception of Korean court music. I really don't like any cheesy music, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a right to make others happy. There is still freedom in art, and we all have to be prepared to tolerate stuff we don't like.
Maelstrom: In the liner notes about the songs, you mention a “specially constructed instrument” for the bass notes, which are as low as a human ear can recognize — what was that instrument?
Morean: I'm impressed! You read the liner notes! ;-)
I have this crazy sculptor friend called Ralf Fischer who invents extreme instruments every once in a while. The instrument was a wedding present from him, it's a designed two-meter steel frame with two fat steel wires as strings and a bass pickup. Because the "strings" are so fat (two and three mm), the tension is high enough to tune the strings as low as you want. Only, at the G below the grand piano, our ears stop perceiving pitch and start to hear the note as mere bubbling. This set the tuning for the thing. We'll use the instrument again on the new album because of its unique and ultra-low sound.
Maelstrom: What guitar do you play, what strings and especially what type/thickness of pick do you use? Also, what other equipment do you use, and do you have any favorites regarding the sound, reliability and ease of use?
Morean: After playing on crap for 20 years, I now have a nice set. My main guitar is a handmade USA BC Rich Warlock 7-string with a few extras I built in like a Sustainiac pickup and 2 EMG 707s. I play a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier. For effects, I use an Eventide Eclipse, a Nord Micro Modular (which I use as an effect machine), and a Sound Sculpture Switchblade and a Rocktron All Access to control all that. It's a heavy stack to haul around though... but sound-wise, this is what I liked best.
The Crawling Chaos unfortunately was still done with a shitty Korea BC Rich Virgin 7 and a V-Amp. We've come a long way since then!
I also use an Ibanez RG2228 eight string guitar. Strings are Ernie Ball 010s. Picks Jim Dunlop 0.88 standard (the green ones). I have quite a hard attack in the right hand, so I need something solid in my hand.
Maelstrom: What other instruments do you play?
Morean: None, really, though I've played some bass when required and I scream my guts out in Dark Fortress. In general, I'm happy with stuff with strings on it, and I tend to just play guitar on everything. I want to do as much as possible with guitars, though, and I like to make them sound unlike guitars (maybe not so much in metal, which is all about guitars).
Maelstrom: Were you in any other metal bands before Noneuclid? I would assume you didn't have time for it?
Morean: I've played with Bruce in some projects in my teens, and we all play covers together every year for some friends as the Beelzebuben, but this is just for fun. I had a main band from my 14th year that I quit when I came to Holland, and played here and there occasionally, but Noneuclid was the first real band since my teens.
Maelstrom: Bruce (the singer) normally sings in a band called The Grapefruit dead — what kind of a band is it? I know about the others (V. Santura – guitars and Seraph – drums) from Dark Fortress, but also I haven't heard Fallacy, from which the bass player is.
Morean: I think the correct style term for Grapefruit is "Scandinavian Asshole Rock" — dirty, simple and in your face. We all have various musical influences, but we all meet in extreme metal. Fallacy is a cover band.
Maelstrom: Your biography is impressive. Looking back, was it all something you planned to do, knew you were going to do, or it just happened?
Morean: I came to Holland to study flamenco guitar, more out of frustration because I couldn't go anywhere with metal professionally and I did want to go to a conservatory for decent training. Classical guitar was not an option since 80% of the literature you have to play is sissy stuff in D major. That I ended up as a classical composer was just as much a surprise to me, but as soon as that started, I knew that was something I could do with pleasure till I die. My original plan when I left Germany was to study "quickly" for six years and then continue with my band; obviously, that couldn't work because the world became a different place in those years, and so did we as people and musicians. But all turned out well, and I'm extremely grateful for that. I take life as it comes, and it continues to surprise me. My main goal was always to do what I want and avoid everything else — it's surprising to what large degree that is possible, and I would never have believed that when I started out.
Maelstrom: One part I find particularly interesting: “growls, heavy guitars, brutal riffs or blastbeats, if necessary presented in ‘respectable’ symphonic halls by classical orchestras.” I mean, WHAT??? Can you please elaborate on that? I know it’s superficial talking about a complex musical piece of work as a “you know, that symphony with blastbeats,” but what was it like? Is any of that available for purchase or reviewing?
Morean: I have a whole closet full of scores and recordings of pieces for all kinds of instrumentations, since I've continually been composing for more than a decade. This stuff is being played all over the world in concerts, and me being a metal guy, almost every piece has something metal to it. I like to use riffs, the dark harmonies and general evilness as well as the virtuosity present in metal. It works like a charm if you let an orchestra do that, and I've seen senior citizens bang their heads to this stuff. The orchestra piece I'm writing now (the one I mentioned above) is certainly the culmination of these endeavors for now.
I'd be happy to burn you some of that stuff! I went into classical music not because of Mozart, but because of pieces like Stravinsky's “Sacre Du Printemps,” Penderecki's “Polymorphy,” Ligeti's “Atmospheres,” Shostakovich's “Symphonies” or Jon Leif's “Hekla,” which are more metal (at least partially) than many bands. There is a fascinating interface with metal there, and I always felt at home in that twilight zone.
Maelstrom: Also, what were the audience reactions like, and do you have any interesting stories about members of the classical orchestras learning to play your music? I know today everyone uses symphonic orchestras, but I have a feeling that your work doesn't sound like Dimmu Borgir or Nightwish.
Morean: In general, I found the contemporary music audiences way more open than the metal crowds. Since "bizarreness" and abstraction are normal in that genre, musicians and audience alike are always happy with rhythms, melodies and identifiable stuff, even if it's complex and evil. I take great care that my music stays playable, that it's well-written for the instruments, and that all efforts of the players that have to learn it pay off when you hear the piece. It has to be fun for all involved (though I'm known to make people work very hard...), and my guess is that respecting that has contributed to my uninterrupted bookings, often years in advance.
I think what most people who don't like metal shy away from most is the sound rather than the music itself. I don't really write different notes for Noneuclid or for my classical ensembles, though the classical spectrum is much wider, of course. But the genre borders are set by sound, not pitches. (The outro of "The Digital Diaspora" is a good example — it's exactly the same notes like in the song, but sounds like a completely different type of music.) If you replace distorted guitars with bowed strings, drums with percussion and vocals with brass for example, people of all ages and tastes have little difficulty digging it, whereas many run away at the first chord of a metal guitar.
I decided a while ago that I won't care about genres and terminologies any more. This really frees your mind when you create. How stuff is labeled is up to the journalists and audiences — I don't want to censor myself to please anybody's prejudices and expectations. If no-one is there to listen but me, I still have to write it because my creativity comes from an internal urge and not from the wish to please others.
I think Dimmu Borgir, and more recently Septic Flesh, had the most successful collaborations of metal bands with orchestras, even though Dimmu's orchestra parts are very Hollywood. Other things like Metallica with orchestra or Therion I loathe, because I know you can do so much more than a cheap three-finger keyboard part played by 80 people. Even the mighty Portishead, who I adore, fucked it up with the orchestra. But I will always love the orchestral sound cosmos, so I'm happy it happens and I hope these collaborations will establish themselves as a tradition also on the orchestra side.
Maelstrom: What other projects were you involved in, and can you name some of the musicians you played with?
Morean: Where I come from (Landshut, Germany), there's like a pool of always the same musicians cropping out different bands and projects all the time. The Dark Fortress / Noneuclid / Sleep is Wrong / The Shroud / Crom / Obscura conglomerate is a nice example of this. In Holland, I didn't really have a band until Noneuclid, but I've been privileged to perform as a soloist with excellent classical ensembles such as the ASKO ensemble, the Bl!indman saxophone quartet or the Volharding orchestra. Since I've never been too crazy about playing other people's music, I haven't played much with other bands.
I formed an ensemble of seven virtuosos from all kinds of genres called The Hungry Gods, and I've been involved in an ensemble accompanying silent films with live music called The Warlips, but again, that was always our own music. Bjørnar Nielsen of Vulture Industries offered me a guest vocal appearance on the new Black Hole Generator album — I hope that happens because I really like what he does. There's a man with vision and talent. I had some hopes to work on some orchestrations for the new Celtic Frost album, due to the connection with V Santura, but well, I guess that's off the table now.
I became runner-up in the Morbid Angel audition for Erik Rutan's job last month; it was between me and three other guys in the final, but someone else tipped the scales at the end. This would have been the pinnacle of guitar playing for me, since Morbid Angel are by far my favorite band, but I'm also very happy and privileged to play with my good friends in my own bands because they're amazing musicians too.
Maelstrom: How are things going with new material? I think so far there is just one song written for the follow-up album? Will there be a concept behind it? Any changes in approach? Can we still expect it in 2008?
Morean: Well, it's the outdated website again... In fact, the new album is recorded except for solos and backing vocals. There will be eight songs that take over 70 minutes. The production will be a lot better, so much we can already postulate, and the stylistic range within metal is far broader than on The Crawling Chaos. We try to make our songs as different from each other as possible, so that every songs stands for itself, and to avoid repetition. This keeps it interesting for us. I know that this is commercial suicide, but we don't care. We like to surprise and go to places others haven't gone before, so expect the unexpected. We all grew as players in the last years, so I thing we're definitely reaching a new level with this album. It's still metal as hell, though. Depending if we find the time this year to complete the thing, our hope is indeed to have it ready this year.
Maelstrom: Let's switch to Dark Fortress for a while. Are you a full-time member now?
Morean: Of course! In it till over my head.
Maelstrom: You have written all the lyrics for Eidolon, what are they based on?
Morean: They are based on my own experiences with certain occult techniques, in which the mirror as a tool to open other dimensions and astral projection were important. The story is basically fantasy, but inspired by the things I witnessed and saw on my own "trips."
Maelstrom: What are the symbolics behind mirrors?
Morean: We live in a universe of duality: good and evil, black and white, etc; we need contrast to perceive anything. The mirror is a perfect symbol for that, since it splits what is one in two. As a magical tool, it's basically a surface to rest the eyes on while the mind lets go of its daily constrictions, which creates a feedback in what you see in the mirror. They are not strictly necessary to open these doors, but they are an aid to visually oriented people. Introspection becomes easier if your eyes have something to do as well, that prevents getting too distracted by the world around us. But there are many techniques of sensory stimulation and deprivation, many of which can provide amazing results.
Maelstrom: Have you had any experiences with astral projection yourself? I have a friend who did, but he still can't control it and it scares him quite a lot.
Morean: It used to happen to me, all of a sudden floating under the ceiling over my body in alpha state. Most of my experiences with the occult and the mystical just happened without me really looking for it — I remember being bored in high school when all of a sudden I clearly saw my teacher's aura, or having premonitions in dreams which came true the next day, stuff like that. As I went further into these things, I achieved some degree of control of where my mind is going, which I used excessively in many dark nights in the forest in the following years. Each of us contains a universe, and you have to walk the walk yourself to encounter anything useful. Accounts of others can only stimulate, but I hope to inspire with my lyrics and music.
Maelstrom: You live in Rotterdam, but both bands are in Germany — how do you make it all work? Where are you from actually?
Morean: I'm from Landshut, like my band mates. Since Seraph also lives here in Rotterdam now, we're getting quite used to traveling up and down. I love my home, but I could never live there again because it's so retro. Whatever money we make on Dark Fortress shows gets wasted on traveling, but we've long given up any hope to get anything out of metal besides our dose of adrenaline. As long as we don't have to pay to play in front of a paying audience, at least not too often, I guess it's tolerable for the moment, even though a lot of time, energy and money just evaporate in this kind of music.
Maelstrom: Also, I've noticed you mentioned “your wife's house in Sarajevo”... is she Bosnian? I was surprised when you greeted me in Croatian. How often do you visit Bosnia?
Morean: Yes, she's from Sarajevo. We go there about once a year, sometimes more, sometimes less. I love the city, the people, the mentality and humor, and of course the food. Only the noise of the mosques drives me crazy after a while — I find that so rude.
Maelstrom: Eh, got to ask this: You've probably heard turbofolk music. What do you think about it? (I’d like it wiped from the face of the planet)
Morean: We once went from Rotterdam to Sarajevo by bus — 32 hours, and the guy couldn't be begged, threatened or blackmailed into turning the radio off, even during the night. It was that fucking loud and literally without a break. Before we were out of Rotterdam, the music had lost whatever little "exotic" charm it had for me. Before we were out of Holland, I was frothing at the mouth. After about ten hours drive, the music went off, and a movie started... or so we hoped. But what it was, was a three-hour turbofolk festival, taped from Bosnian TV. Then the CD player went back on. I have never craved for normal shitty pop as much as on that trip. The horror! Being forcibly exposed to anything which is always the same automatically becomes hell, and I can't help but perceive music, even with underwater earplugs. This experience also showed me that what most people listen to is shit in every country, or so it seems.
I must say, though, that I really like the Balkan gypsy and traditional music styles. As for folk in general: I'm from an Alp country, and to me it seems we have the very worst of all folk music there. So if you start your crusade, I'd like to take care of some international franchise effort, if you don't mind...
Maelstrom: If you have any free time, what do you do? Any time for hobbies?
Morean: I don't, ever. But I love cooking, and I read a lot and have quite a movie collection. If we manage to take a real holiday (so NO album production or rehearsals and concerts...), which is maybe once every three years if we're lucky (my wife's just as crazy as me), we like to be lazy on the beach or in the mountains, with as little of civilization around as possible. But music has eaten me up completely, so "free time" is — as all time — an illusion.
Maelstrom: Any other bands you like right now, something fresh or inspiring, or you don't have the time to listen to others' music?
Morean: I'm trying to improve that. At the moment there's Meshuggah, Gojira, Portishead, Textures (the best Dutch band!) and Stigmatized on my plate. Also, there's always Paco de Lucía, which is the best musician alive in my opinion.
Maelstrom: I think this is more than enough even for a man with supernatural abilities. What are your plans for the future, and what will be the first thing you do after you finish writing this?
Morean: I will work like a motherfucker on the movie soundtrack I'm busy with, then pack my house because we have to move end of this month, and if at all possible finish the Noneuclid orchestra piece before the summer.
This was a long interview, but I thank you for it because I really enjoyed it; it's a pleasure to communicate with someone who's really interested.
Last words? Oh yes, here's a few:
amniomancy chiliasm sempect situla catarrine crepuscular pneumatomachy
Cheers – cujemo se,
Morean
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