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There are plenty of great drummers in metal. However,
the man who calls himself Proscriptor McGovern goes beyond that. Listening
to Tara, the latest album of his full-time band, Absu, gives
you the firm realization that the bar has been raised a notch from whatever
has come before it in the metal world. Aside from impossibly fast, technical
and precise playing, it also turns out that Proscriptor is able to do
vocals simultaneously. If you've ever tried to play any instrument,
and especially drums, and so much as talk at the same time you'll have
some idea of how amazing this feat is.
It comes as no surprise that Proscriptor, despite being
only 28 years old, has been playing drums for more than 20 years. Guided
by his mastery of his instrument, Absu has released in Tara
its finest record to date, and one of Maelstrom's picks for best records
of 2001. It showcases crazy technical thrash riffs with an aptly chosen,
biting production that accentuates the whirlwind rawness of the music
while at the same time bringing all the instruments out clearly. With
Absu at its creative apex, it comes at the greatest shock to hear that
original bassist and guitarist Equitant Ifernain has left the band.
I conversed with the pleasant, slightly Southern accented Proscriptor
about the changes in Absu, as well as the band's upcoming album, side
projects, trying out for Slayer, and how the hell he got to be such
an amazing drummer. - Roberto
Martinelli
Maelstrom: The biggest burning question I have for you
is this: I've never had the good fortune to see you guys play live,
but you do vocals on the records, and I've heard live tracks of you
guys on that reissue of V.I.T.R.I.O.L. Do you do vocals while
you play drums?
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes.
Maelstrom: How on earth do you do that?
Proscriptor McGovern: Basically, it's like taking the
training wheels off a bicycle. I use a microphone headset.
Maelstrom: Not necessarily that, but just the fact that...I
mean, I play drums, and I can't even talk while I play.
Proscriptor
McGovern: Right. You just have to painstakingly rehearse until you get
it down perfect. I am a perfectionist. It's basically easy. I think
one of the reasons why it's easier for me - being the songwriter for
the group - I fit the syllables of the lyrics within the time signatures
and the structure of the drums. It basically coincides with one another.
I synchronize my vocal capabilities with the drumming. In my eyes, it's
fairly easy, to be honest with you.
Maelstrom: That's incredible. I would imagine that, not
only that it's hard to talk while you play, but you play so fast and
you put so much into it that you'd have to be breathing the whole time
just to be able to keep it up.
Proscriptor McGovern: It's tedious at first, but once
you practice it, it's really no problem.
Maelstrom: Wow. That's amazing.
Proscriptor McGovern: Thanks.
Maelstrom: Sure. I want to learn about you. How did you
get into drumming? How did you discover metal?
Proscriptor McGovern: I have been playing drums since
1981. I'm almost 29 years old (in Earth years).
Maelstrom: So you've been playing since you were a little
kid.
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes. I first started out right before
my stepfather had married my mother. He used to be the original drummer
for two bands up in Champaign, Illinois: one called Bluesberry Jam,
and the other one called Killing Floor. Anyway, those were two bands
that would later become REO Speedwagon.
Maelstrom: What was your stepfather's name?
Proscriptor McGovern: Mike Hougland. He was a percussionist
for about anywhere between 20-25 years. He had passed down his five-piece
Ludwig trap-kit to me. That's how I originally started. I discovered
metal when I was three years old and totally fascinated and infatuated
by Kiss. Later, I started to discover bands like Styx, Foghat, ELO,
Black Sabbath, Rush, Yes, Pat Travers, Triumph, and the list continues.
I started off listening to '70s hard rock, pre-heavy metal bands. Later,
throughout the years, I started listening to Iron Maiden, Accept and
Axe; I started getting turned on to punk bands like Circle Jerks and
Black Flag. And later, of course, I found Slayer, you know. My story
is the typical evolution of a metal musician, basically. I think what's
different with me was that I was more obsessed at such a young age with
progressive rock and jazz fusion bands like King Crimson, Yes, Genesis,
Gong, a band called Soft Machine, Mahavishnu Orchestra, and Weather
Report. Those bands' percussionists fascinated me as early as the age
of seven.
Maelstrom: It must have been hard for other kids your age
to hang with you.
Proscriptor McGovern: (laugh) Right. I was an outcast.
When they wanted to listen to Pyromania, I wanted to listen to albums
like Yes Fragile and In the Court of the Crimson King
by King Crimson. I stood out.
Maelstrom: That's funny. Speaking of all these bands you
were reeling off, in the thank you lists in The Third Storm of Cythraul,
you have a large list of (black/death) metal bands. The list is preceded
by A Flock of Seagulls. That's pretty remarkable. Is that a joke, or
do you really like that?
Proscriptor McGovern: No, I'm friends with those guys.
Let me tell you what happened. In 1995, I recorded my debut solo album
under the moniker Proscriptor called The Venus Bellona. Well,
I decided to include "I Ran So Far Away" as a cover track
at the end of the album. I had to get permission before I recorded it,
so I had to fill out a copyright clearance form and get at least one
of the original members from A Flock of Seagulls to approve it. On Halloween
night in 1995, both A Flock of Seagulls and King Crimson were playing
(at different venues). I went to go see King Crimson naturally. However,
a comrade of mine went to the Flock of Seagulls show, and I gave him
the form. Mike Score, who is the keyboardist/vocalist for A Flock of
Seagulls, signed the form. My friend told me Mike was honored I was
covering the song. I think it was Memorial Day 1996 when A Flock of
Seagulls played again. I met Mike and gave him a copy of the debut album.
He was completely floored by the cover version. That's how history was
made. Ever since then we've been in regular contact.
Maelstrom: Why did you pick that? Again, going through
your list, it's like, ALL metal bands, and then Flock of Seagulls.
Proscriptor McGovern: I've always liked that song. It's
simple but it's got an energetic, charismatic drive to it. I've always
been a fan of the late '70s, early '80s new wave of rock music.
Maelstrom: How much do you practice? I imagine that you're
always on the drum kit.
Proscriptor McGovern: I practice four to five days a week
for three to five hours each time.
Maelstrom: Do you have a routine that you stick to or do
you just sit down and play?
Proscriptor McGovern: It's just whatever's on the schedule.
It's all about the magic I feel and what I want to play.
Maelstrom: Give me an example. What have you been working
on lately?
Proscriptor McGovern: Lately, I've been working on new
songs for the next Absu album. I've also been working on a couple of
new tracks for the new Melechesh album, which will be recorded by the
end of the year. Usually what we do is: Sunday. Monday and Tuesday,
Absu rehearses prior material, just to stay in form. If there's a show
up and coming, we're well rehearsed. On Wednesdays and Thursdays, we
write new music. After those are complete, I continue to practice on
rudiments and innovate new patterns. Fridays and Saturdays, we torment
ourselves with lots of drugs and booze. You know, typical rock stardom.
Maelstrom: That's what I wanted to know about your personal
thing. Do you play with a click track?
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes, I do. Sometimes.
Maelstrom: How much do you think that's important?
Proscriptor McGovern: I've found it to be quite critical
when recording. It's a night and day difference. The click makes it
a lot more consistent and on time.
Maelstrom: You touched on Melechesh. How did you hook up
with those guys?
Proscriptor McGovern: I've known them since 1994. We're
lyrically, spiritually and euphonically have all had the same interests.
Basically, the association between Absu and Melechesh, we're almost
the same band, except Absu is geographically located in the western
hemisphere, and Melechesh is located in the eastern hemisphere.
Maelstrom: I think you guys' sounds quite a bit different.
There are a lot less vocals on Melechesh, and the music is much more
mid-paced.
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes indeed. And it's a lot more
Arabic and Armenian sounding as far as the music and the way the percussive
patterns are manipulated and written. It was actually in 1999 that they
relocated from Jerusalem to Amsterdam. None of them are Israeli, they've
just lived in Israel for the majority of their existences. Ashmedi is
Turkish, Moloch is French/ Palestinian, and Al-Hazred is half Ukranian,
half Russian. And I'm just a Cherokee/Scotch Indian from Tulsa, Oklahoma.
It's kind of an unusual mixture for a band.
Maelstrom: The record label you're on, Osmose, is way
out in France. As you know, Immortal was on that label for a long time,
and now they're on Nuclear Blast and they've had their first proper
US domestic release. Likewise, you've had your first proper US domestic
release, but on Olympic. Do you plan to stay on Osmose? Do you like
being on that label?
Proscriptor McGovern: I do like being associated with
Osmose. I think that they are one of the best independent metal record
labels in the world, but as far as promotion, marketing, advertisement,
and also distribution in the US, it really lacks. That's just because
Osmose has suffered.
Maelstrom: They used to have a US office, but I believe
the people who ran in were kind of flaky and they closed it.
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes, in Los Angeles. My wife and
I, off and on, still do work for Osmose. We do PR work. We're called
Reality Music. I do the editing and proofs for the press releases and
biographies. My wife does publicity, sets up interviews, and does radio
relations for some of the releases. We work for Osmose part-time.
Maelstrom:
I heard this rumor that Equitant has left the band.
Proscriptor McGovern: That's correct.
Maelstrom: Wow. Tell me about that.
Proscriptor McGovern: I really have no comment about it.
It was just his personal decision. I think he's more satisfied not being
in Absu for the time being. He's got his own solo project that he's
currently pursuing.
Maelstrom: How do you feel about it?
Proscriptor McGovern: We're ready to move on, and we have
moved on. I'm pretty sedated about it, to be honest with you. I have
no feelings or comments about it.
Maelstrom: I read on the website that you have a new guitarist,
Kashshapxu. Is he going to be a permanent member?
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes, he is a permanent member. He's
also contributing to the songwriting and compositions and arrangements
of the new material. So once again Absu is seeking a permanent bassist/vocalist,
because I want to concentrate more on being a percussionist rather than
a vocalist.
Maelstrom:
But Shaftiel is still in the band?
Proscriptor McGovern: Absolutely.
Maelstrom: Right. This new record: what's going on with
that?
Proscriptor McGovern: We have three songs completely written.
The whole album will have roughly 10-12 tracks. It's self-titled. We're
going back to Sumerian, Mesopotamian and Akkadian magick and mythology;
basically dissecting the times of the Elders with the Sumerian and Mesopotamian
dynasties. Discussing the magick and mythology within the people of
the ancient times.
Maelstrom: Where do you read about all this stuff? How
did you get to know about these things?
Proscriptor McGovern: I've been fascinated with the occult,
alchemical sciences, and my ancestry ever since I was nine years old.
I collect and painstakingly read books. As a matter of fact, I went
out and bought 80 books yesterday.
Maelstrom: Wow!
Proscriptor McGovern: Well hell yes. And I haven't bought
any text in quite a long time. I wanted to treat myself.
Maelstrom: Yeah, that's a treat.
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes. I found a really good sale,
too. Me and my wife went book hunting yesterday.
Maelstrom: Did you just get married?
Proscriptor McGovern: Almost a year ago.
Maelstrom: I was talking to my friend who works in a record
store. He said he corresponded with you, and he mentioned your girlfriend.
Proscriptor McGovern: Oh, at Aquarius (Records)?
Maelstrom: Yeah! Allan. Those guys are friends of mine.
They actually contribute to Maelstrom.
Proscriptor McGovern: That's cool. They've purchased some
of my solo albums before. I know they're big fans. Yes, I have 100 percent
support for those guys.
Maelstrom: How is this relationship with your wife in terms
of your musical career and your obsessions/fascinations? Does she enjoy
this stuff too?
Proscriptor McGovern: Absolutely. She is 100 percent the
female version of Proscriptor.
Maelstrom: That's great!
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes. She's been working the music
business for 13 years now. She used to work for Point Blank and Virgin
Records. She also worked for Red Distribution and a lot of blues labels
as well. She's currently a web alchemist for several law firms.
Maelstrom: Wow. As far as I'm concerned, the Tara
record is clearly the best thing you've ever done. I like your other
stuff too, but it just stepped it up so much in terms of the drum sound
you used, your drums are way clearer than they were before; the tones
of the guitar are a lot more biting, you can really feel it. What was
really curious is everything is sandwiched between these two gorgeous
bagpipe pieces that are objectively quite incongruous with what's going
on in the middle. Why did you choose such a stark contrast between these
lovely, warm bagpipe pieces and this really sort of harsh and grating
sound of the rest of the album?
Proscriptor McGovern: Well, the bagpipes are a very gloomy,
melancholic, yet very soothing instrument. Since we are dealing with
a grassy knoll where high kings once reigned in Celtic mythology, I
thought it was very appropriate to use nothing more, nothing less than
the pipes. Basically, I thought it would be best to use the pipes as
a prologue and an epilogue.
Maelstrom: In the Tara lexicon, if you look up "Proscriptor
McGovern," you get: "an aggressor or one who banishes; one
who proscribes the names of the dead in a requiem." Could you maybe
go into that a little bit more? What are you banishing? What is proscribing
mean? Obviously it's not when you give drugs (sorry about that. - Roberto)
Proscriptor McGovern: It's a proscribing word. It's a
Latin word, actually. Basically, I'm turning it around a little bit
since I am the chief lyricist and poet for Absu. I thought it would
be the most appropriate moniker.
Maelstrom: In The Third Storm of Cythraul, the song
"Morbid Scream" makes reference to a band from 1988 by the
same name. Is this your old band?
Proscriptor McGovern: No, they're actually comrades of
ours from Plano, Texas. Basically Morbid Scream to Absu is like what
Mayhem is to Emperor or Immortal, for example. They were a death thrash
band that reigned from 1986 up till 1989. They disbanded in 1991. On
<The Sun of Tiphareth>, our second album, we covered another Morbid
Scram song titled "The Coming of War." We decided that we
wanted to continue with another cover of Morbid Scream, so we did their
self-titled track on The Third Storm of Cythraul. They decided
that not only did we have the publishing and the copyright to cover
these songs, but also they gave us the publishing rights to every song
they ever recorded. We now own all the Morbid Scream material.
Maelstrom: So you'll do some more?
Proscriptor McGovern: We're thinking about it and possibly
on the upcoming release. We own the songs, we own the logo; everything
they ever did. They don't care anymore.
Maelstrom: Speaking of logos, I see that Equitant made
the Absu logo and the Tara inlay art. Does he draw a lot?
Proscriptor McGovern: He did logos for some bands. Divine
Eve, Crimson Relic, Morgion, Zemial, Agatus, and he did Limbonic Art.
Maelstrom: Why shouldn't I blow out the Eastern Candle?
Proscriptor McGovern: You shouldn't because it will disturb
the spell that is presented within sex magic, that's why. It creates
phase cancellation while the channeling is occurring in the process
of sex magic, basically.
Maelstrom: Do you ever have fans come up to you and say,
"You know, I really like your band and I read your lyrics, but
I have no idea what you're talking about. What's going on?"
Proscriptor McGovern: That happens almost on a daily basis.
Maelstrom: Hahahaha!
Proscriptor McGovern: This is why I had to include a dictionary
at the back of Tara. I can't handle the questionnaires.
Maelstrom: I assume so. Haha!
Proscriptor McGovern: (laughs) It occurs quite frequently.
But there's no excuse now. Not only do I want to present a very technical,
progressive form of black/death thrash music, but I also want to educate
the mortal mind. I think I've really done it with Celtic mythology and
magick behind Tara. I think it's really important. I mean, you
don't see other bands that are using glossaries in the back of their
CD booklets.
Maelstrom: Right. It's sort of what Nile did for Egyptian
myth.
Proscriptor McGovern: Right. I just wanted to create something
innovative for the kids.
Maelstrom: It really shows that you really put a lot of
care into it, which is cool. What does V.I.T.R.I.O.L. stand for?
Proscriptor McGovern: It's an acronym for a Latin term.
It's Visita Interiora Terrae Rectificando Invenies Occultum Lapidem.
It's a Latin term for "we shall visit the interior parts of the
Earth by rectification. Thou shalt find magick within the hidden stone."
V.I.T.R.I.O.L. is basically another terminology for abyss or primum
mobile. The Mesopotamian, Egyptian and Sumerian people used to refer
to it as the core of the Earth, which is the abyss, the hell, etc...etc...
Maelstrom: Is that a coincidence that vitriol also is
a very caustic acid?
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes, it is.
Maelstrom: So is that adapted from Latin to fit two meanings?
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes.
Maelstrom: You know that band Anaal Nathrakh? The singer
has called himself V.I.T.R.I.O.L. I wonder if he took that because of
reverence for you.
Proscriptor McGovern: You're the second person who's mentioned
that. I know the band; I'm not familiar with the music, though.
Maelstrom: Yeah. It's really hard to find in the U.S.,
apparently. Your solo albums are apparently a lot different from what
you do in Absu. It's more like an ambient thing?
Proscriptor McGovern: It's ambient, it's psychedelic,
it's progressive rock. It's also folk and experimental music. It's everything
that isn't Absu that's my interest. I have two full-lengths out, and
I'm actually working on a picture 7" right now called Thoth
Music(k).
Maelstrom: Oh, right. The Egyptian god of justice, right?
Proscriptor McGovern: Right. Also, I'm going to be working
on a third, maybe a final album called 726: The Sign of My Number.
Maelstrom: I read on the website that you were trying to
become the drummer for Slayer.
Proscriptor McGovern: That's correct.
Maelstrom: But they didn't take you for whatever reason.
I can't imagine why. Is there any sort of story or feelings you can
tell us about?
Proscriptor McGovern: Basically, I auditioned. I made
the top five. I actually landed in third place. The two other choices
ahead of me were Kevin Talley of Dying Fetus and Derek Roddy of Hate
Eternal.
Maelstrom: Is Kevin Talley gonna be the drummer for Slayer?
Proscriptor McGovern: Nope. None of them made it. Dave
Lombardo is going be the drummer for Slayer for the remainder of the
year. Whoever their choice is after that, I have no clue.
Maelstrom: I can't imagine why they wouldn't take either
of those guys, or you for that matter. We're talking about some of the
best drummers for metal that I can think of.
Proscriptor McGovern: They don't want anyone that's been
established in a band before. Plus they don't like my "black metal
imagery."
Maelstrom: Well, that sounds really, really stupid.
Proscriptor McGovern: Well, then again, it's Kerry King's
outfit. It's not really Slayer. It's up to him basically. He wants somebody
that's fresh. He actually wanted somebody that's around my age. He didn't
want anybody over 30 years old, and he didn't want anybody younger than
25. I was the ideal age for the position. Actually, I had heard that
he wanted the drummer from Soulfly, but he turned it down due to his
dogmatic views, I believe it was? I know I'm more satisfied where I'm
at right now.
Maelstrom: I was thinking about that. It's like, why would
you want to be the drummer for Slayer?
Proscriptor McGovern: Yeah, exactly. I was asking myself
that as well.
Maelstrom: Of course their band is a lot bigger than yours,
but generally even people who were long-time fans of theirs now regard
them as being pretty weak.
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes, I know.
Maelstrom: It's really not your thing. I'm glad you didn't
make it! Hahaha.
Proscriptor McGovern: Yes, me too.
Maelstrom: I sort of understand. You did it just to see
if you could do it.
Proscriptor McGovern: I wanted to be documented as one
of the drummers of Slayer. Don't get me wrong: the first three albums
are a big influence on me. I had a notion that I could bring back the
blasphemous view and the evil touch that they once had. Maybe have the
same artist that did the Hell Awaits and Reign in Blood
album cover. Maybe I could bring that spark back in to them, instead
of writing about...
Maelstrom: Rugby?
Proscriptor McGovern: Ski caps in anger. (laugh)
Maelstrom: Thanks a lot for the interview. I wish you could
magically impart some of the drum trickery or wisdom that I could suddenly
take and go, "I'm so much better now!"
Proscriptor McGovern: All I can suggest is just practice
until your arms are strained and be sure you have a versatile mind.
Indulge as many influences as you can. I think that's what's made me
who I am today. I'm not the typical black metal/death metal drummer.
Maelstrom: Good luck.
Proscriptor McGovern: I appreciate it, man. Thanks for
the interview.

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